It's about time Itachi plucks out eyeballs out of Sasuke's eye sockets.
It's about time Itachi plucks out eyeballs out of Sasuke's eye sockets.
"Life is hilariously cruel" by Bender
I'm going to have to say Kakashi's won't make him go blind. Considering Kakashi has the MS, I'm also gonig to assume that he knows the secrets of the Uchiha. He probably doesn't know the whole Madara story though.Originally Posted by DDBen
But Kakashi's won't be as strong because he isn't a pure Uchiha.
Blinktopia seems to have a better translation. You kill your friends for MS, but you need a brother for a spare. But then I don't see why Itachi had to kill off the whole clan.
Isn't Zetsu watching Sasuke and Itachi? I wonder if Madara knows all about this. I'm not sure if Itachi is just trying ot pass Madara for the sake of it, or he's going to try to kill Madara too.
I really hate how Kishimoto puts all this development into the Sharingan. How the hell is the Rinnegan supposed to be better than this shit?
Rather annoyed atm.
I don't know if this was a joke or not, but the point of this chapter was the story Itachi just told. And no, when Sasuke fought Naruto, he didn't have his forehead protector on because he believed he was much stronger than Naruto. Towards the end, he had to put it on.
@animus. I'm wondering the same thing too. The Sharingan has all these cool features and backstory while the Rinnegan doesn't seem too impressive at the moment.
Who says Zetsu is going to tell him?
I don't know, I just thought maybe Zetsu was the lookout who tells the leader everything or something.
Stick to your gut next time.
Rinnegan: Does anyone other than Itachi/Madara (and now Sasuke) actually know how powerful the Sharingan actually is? Because that would explain why the Rinnegan is supposed to be stronger.
As a sidenote, Madara's brother must not have been as exceptional a ninja as they let on. How is a bedridden Madara, who was supposedly his brother's equal, going to go and pluck NOT ONE, but BOTH of his brother's eyes. Maybe he used some sort of trickery.
Madara: Hey bro. Let me show you a magic trick.
Brother: Okay--!
Madara: Ha! Got your nose!
Brother: Wow!
Madara: Ha! Now I got your eye!
Brother: Owwee!
Madara: Come back here. Let me put it back.. Ha! Got your other one.
^^Retarded? Yes.^^
But so is the idea that a half blind ninja on bedrest somehow bested another ninja who's supposedly as strong as he is (but in peak condition)
Thinking about it some more the reason for killing the entire clan becomes kind of clear.
Think of it this way Itachi didn't always hate Sasuke if he ever did so basically he was approached by Mandara and gained MS. Now he also learned how to make it permanent. The thing is they said this could only be done between people of the same CLAN not the same blood. Essentially Itachi was likely killing off each person in the clan with Mandara looking for a donor that could work to give him the final stage. In the end they didn't find anyone else in the clan capable of using it and so Sasuke was left alive as Itachi's final hope allowing him to gain the MS on his own. Being they were of the same blood its reasonable to believe Sasuke would be capable of doing it with the right motivation and so Itachi gave it to him.
Its also possible after summoning the 9-tails Madara's MS lost its power as he spent the potential of it and so he was using Itachi to gain the same eye's he got from his brother in a attempt to upgrade himself again. Basically this allows Itachi to die Sasuke to upgrade his eye's and leaves Mandara a reason to continue going after Sasuke all nice and neatly.
In this chapter, Itachi said that a new eye technique ("the last piece of the puzzle) could be gained after gaining the eternal MS. I thought it was the ability to control Kyuubi but Sasuke asks "There's more than being able to control the nine-tailed fox?" and Itachi refers to it as "the last piece of the puzzle."
Is the eternal MS the new new eye technique Itachi is referring to?
Second, I'm not sure if I understand how Madara is now a shell of his former self.
He got the eternal MS and managed to become immortal. Since Tobi has one eye, I imagine he lost one of his eternal MS eyes after he went off into anonymity. But that cant be the case since Itachi says "He remains alive and well, as do his eyes and their power."
I think Itachi feels that Madara more or less "dropped the ball."
Even with the eternal MS, Madara lost his fight against Shondaime to determine who would become leader of Konoha. And even when he was able to place Kyuubi under his control to attack Konoha, he was once again defeated, or rather his plan was thwarted by Yondaime.
I guess Itachi feels that if he had eternal MS, he would not fail in whatever goal he chooses the way Madara did and surpass Madara.
I'll save my next inquiry for another post as the idea for it was already brought up in this thread.
It's not. Madara is in charge of Akatsuki. But only Pein, Itachi, and a few other members know who he really is. To protect his secret, his orders come from Pein and Zetsu.
If there's any possibility of it being stronger, it's because it works as a P2P doujoutsu.
Still, I don't expect Jiraiya (our source of information on the Rinnegan) knew very much about the MS, considering he had never seen Itachi's black flames before his brief fight with Itachi and Kisame.
....so what happens if sasuke plucks out itachis eyes instead? Does he get MS?
I wonder how Madara switched the eyes....he must be a hell of a surgeon. I hope that account was dramatized, becasue as of now it doesn't really make much sense.
He's a ninja of course he can rip out someone's eye's and exchange them with his own while blind can't they all?
ok one question since you get a permanent MS sharingan when you get another's eyes why didn't madara take his brother's eyes and give him his?...also since they have awoken their MS probably on the same time since they are so equal and everything his brother's eyes should also be on their end so when the eyes go to another's body da-tah eyes fixed?another thing i noticed is that madara's MS and his brother's were different but even after he got his eyes the MS remained the same as before...so it's up to the body to give the MS shape and power(itachi has the sun-moon power or whatever it is called and kakashi can send things into another dimensions)
im guessing they killed of the rest of the clan so that no one will be a threat against them in the future. It's obvious they wanna destroy the leaf with sending the nine tails and all, especially with itachi saying it was unfortunate that the 4th stopped the attack.u need ure brother for the transplant not any sharingan from what the translations say,
for the dude that said they killed the uchiha to see which eyes were compatable, they didnt go thru all the uchiha to see who would be compatable, just how would that work? u pull out ure eyes use theres and if it doesn't work put back in ure eyes? lol that just doesn't make sense i dubt they can just see the eyes and say "hey those are compatable eyes to gain perma MS lets take em."
The rinnegan being the strongest, who knows we haven't seen all abilities from it yet. we do know unless u kill all the bodies they can be revived which is pretty damn powerful. We dont know how madara is still alive so we can't say perfect MS makes u live 100+ years or w/e.
Madara stealing his bros eyes i guess he got them easily cause his bro was shocked at what happened, i dont think u would think ure older brother would steal ure eyes now, would u? The shock must have paralyzed him lol. It's awesome how itachi looked crazy there for a second can't wait for this fight
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.....I think eternal mangekyou is superior to rinnegan.
This explains why Madara > Pain > Itachi
Itachi didn't kill the clan for power....he killed the clan because the clan had grown soft from the days prior to Konoha. They had lost the dominance they once had under Madara's control, and have even gone so far as to break the MS lineage by giving up on their heritage in favor of a more pacified lifestyle. Itachi and Madara are both thinking on the same wavelength, except that Itachi expects to go even farther than Madara.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
As for Sasuke, I don't think he wants the MS. He wants power a different way like he has said before. Sasuke could develop MS during this fight with Itachi though. I mean, Madara and his younger brother developed it while training together competitively. The only difference is, Sasuke and Itachi will be fighting to death.
However, there's still a possibility Sasuke won't get the MS because of his emotions. All he wants to do is kill Itachi. It's not like Sasuke is really close to Itachi and then all of a sudden going emo and killing him. He has been hating Itachi for years and years now.
This is assuming to gain MS, the condition must be some emo-like stuff.
As far as I know, MS only provides you with forbidden jutsus anyway, so it's not like Sasuke will be missing out on anything too significant if he doesn't gain MS. He can still gain power his own way.
But... If he decides he wants to steal Itachi's eyes after winning, then yay for him I guess.
Its cool to see that Madara has a completely different set of MS eyes than anyone else. Even before he killed his brother. I would like to know what kind of jutsu he is using now as Tobi to make himself practically invincible.
Kind of cool how Sasuke isnt afraid to fight this time. He got his ass kicked last time. Lets see how he does with Itachi going all out. This should be goood!
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
what an amazing development, the magical eyeballs can do even more than we previously thought, I'm already in loss for words to describe how ridiculous this shit is.
super vision? cool.
copy abilities? rational enough.
mega hypnovision? plausiable deniablity.
black flamey fireballs? where did that come from?
space implosion blcak hole blast? aren't they supposed to be ninjas?
controling the strongest being in the universe? that's just doesn't make sense.
immortality? wait, who, how, when, WHAT?
so, what's next in line? to power to create matter from nothing? the power to kill the baby form of the enemy in the past? the ability to locate high-risk mortage owners?
we're still at the same page since Sasuke's first flashback. Itachi did something nasty to make Sasuke stronger, and when sasuke finally kills him and gets the super power, Itachi will tell him that now Sasuke is qualified to kill the true villian who set the bad events in motion. Kishi is just blowing the same story into mega-epic propostions and confuses us even more.
the sasuke series is getting more and absurd, they should focus abit around the side charecters, such as Naruto and stuff
So... if a Sharingan becomes 'eternal' if its transferred.... what happens with Kakashi's?
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