Naruto Shippuuden Episode 42

[Abdula]

How did you not see that coming. Of all the things Oro did thus far that is the one I absolutely knew was going to happen. He's been doing that since we first saw him, remember his fight against Sarutobi or the Sannin battle. Sure the sheer scale and magnitude were different but its the same attack.

Now the one thing I didn't see coming was the punch straight to Naruto's face. Oro is a master of ninjutsu and mostly only uses taijutsu for evasion and even so its his own weird brand of taijutsu. After everything else that happened I really didn't think he would just punch him to the face, the irony was not lost on my part.

[Munsu]

For the last time, stop discussing or alluding or comparing fucking DBZ in the Naruto section. WE DON'T CARE!

Now, go and discuss the episode.

[Killa-Eyez]

Like I said, the ep's a dissapointment... And while it probably is the best fighting scene in Shippuuden, comparing it to previous Naruto battles I think this battle isn't that great at all. Offcourse I'm talking about Naruto here, no complaints about Oro-sama *bows down*. I've seen what Naruto as a anime can be capable off, and this is not "it". I sure as hell would've expected this fight to be more impressive especially with "Ooooeeehhwww, the fourth tail!" *shiver*. Now I know Naruto rules and Kyuubi fourth tail sucks a big deal off Oro's badunkadunk.

I think there's more of Naruto in that miniature Kyuubi than you guys think. The giant chakra attack was essentially hundreds of red and blue Rasengans compressed into a black super Rasengan. Even though it's all Kyuubi's chakra (and so his "power"), I don't think the Kyuubi could have done a move like that without Naruto.

So it's that obvious? Or are ya just spilling out some spoilers? Because the chakra balls didn't look like a high-levelled skill such as the Rasengan, but they just looked like... ehhm... "chakra balls".

See any differences? Maybe because the Kyuubi is that powerfull, it is capable of shooting big-ass purple chakra balls at any given time? Sure as heaven that blast was not taught the Kyuubi by Naruto.

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Now the one thing I didn't see coming was the punch straight to Naruto's face. Oro is a master of ninjutsu and mostly only uses taijutsu for evasion and even so its his own weird brand of taijutsu. After everything else that happened I really didn't think he would just punch him to the face, the irony was not lost on my part.

I don't know if you noticed it in the special but Oro kept saying that he's like majorly "intrigued by this kid". So ever since that I've been thinking he's just using this oportunity to fight this four tailed Kyuubi, to satisfy his curiousity (I think he is, btw)...
Ya know, hit 'em in the face and see what happens. If Oro was truly serious like against the Third he would've beaten four tails Kyuubi already, IMO. Oro's just playin'.

Edit: Changed my beginning after getting some bad rep I was mixing the Bleach 155 post with this ep. Apologies.

[Abdula]

I don't know if you noticed it in the special but Oro kept saying that he's like majorly "intrigued by this kid". So ever since that I've been thinking he's just using this oportunity to fight this four tailed Kyuubi, to satisfy his curiousity (I think he is, btw)...
Ya know, hit 'em in the face and see what happens. If Oro was truly serious like against the Third he would've beaten four tails Kyuubi already, IMO. Oro's just playin'.

Yes I'm well aware of this hence the line "Bow to the greatness of Orochimaru-sama." He is willingly provoking a creature that would have anyone else scared shitless and he isn't even being serious about it either. Just taking his time and drawing it out as much as possible and savoring every second of it. I don't know how anyone could miss that since it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Oro and Kabuto are trying to get as much as possible out of Naruto. In fact Oro said that this battle was going to be a test to see if Naruto had grown as much as Sasuke. Sadly the answer is no but the Kyuubi sure kicks ass.

Like I said, the ep's a dissapointment... And while it probably is the best fighting scene in Shippuuden, comparing it to previous Naruto battles I think this battle isn't that great at all. Offcourse I'm talking about Naruto here, no complaints about Oro-sama *bows down*. I've seen what Naruto as a anime can be capable off, and this is not "it". I sure as hell would've expected this fight to be more impressive especially with "Ooooeeehhwww, the fourth tail!" *shiver*. Now I know Naruto rules and Kyuubi fourth tail sucks a big deal off Oro's badunkadunk.

This is in no way the best battle we have seen in Naruto. Sure this might be the highest level battle we've seen thus far with Gaara vs Deidara being second but in no way is this the best battle. Excluding Oro all we've seen in this battle is sheer chakra and brute force and no tactics whatsoever, so despite the magnitude of this battle I don't think its anywhere near the best we've seen. Naruto v Sasuke, Third v Oro, Kakashi v Itachi, Kakashi v Zabuza, the sannin battle, I would even consider Naruto vs Neji better than this, This is just a show of force for lack of a better term nothing else. It really is disappointing that with all the potential that the kyuubi possesses that its just a berserker mode after all especially when you consider that there are ninja like Kakashi and Shikamaru whose only limitation is their amount of chakra yet Naruto who has seemingly limitless chakra obly uses it like this. Yeah the kyuubi's chakra cloak is great and all and it does have its advantages like when Oro punched him he was falling backwards and the chakra attacked independently but I would have loved to see what that chakra could do in the hands of someone like Kakashi.

I think there's more of Naruto in that miniature Kyuubi than you guys think. The giant chakra attack was essentially hundreds of red and blue Rasengans compressed into a black super Rasengan. Even though it's all Kyuubi's chakra (and so his "power"), I don't think the Kyuubi could have done a move like that without Naruto.

Like Killa-Eyez said are you kidding. First off there is nothing Naruto in there, secondly that was not the rasengan nor did it even resemble it. The rasengan involves the spinning and compresion of chakra there was no spinning involved here and anyone can compress chakra like that if they have the sheer mass required. This in no way resembled the rasengan and I'm sure the Kyuubi who is eons old didn't have to wait for an idiot like Naruto to come along before he learned how to condense, compress and the expel his chakra at an opponent. This is not the rasengan and Naruto himself is not capable of such a thing. Most importantly no matter what form it may be in the rasengan is a ball of compressed chakra, a ball not a beam and secondly it always requires direct contact meaning its strictly a close range attack.

See that's what I thought was the problem as well. The timing of the music seemed off. Even the sound effects aren't used properly. When the kyuubi is powering up his rasengan, the liquid sound doesnt work. I always envisioned the chakra as a "flame", where its slowly deteriorating his body, not boiled water. The animation was good, but the sound effects and music should have been used better, and the episode would have worked faster.

The Kyuubi's chakra takes many forms but in its base form it is a boiling liquid mass so the sound effects were okay, the music I don't really care about. Watching this battle the music was the last thing on my mind and its not like Naruto is known for its great music placement.

[DDBen]

Like Killa-Eyez said are you kidding. First off there is nothing Naruto in there, secondly that was not the rasengan nor did it even resemble it. The rasengan involves the spinning and compresion of chakra there was no spinning involved here and anyone can compress chakra like that if they have the sheer mass required. This in no way resembled the rasengan and I'm sure the Kyuubi who is eons old didn't have to wait for an idiot like Naruto to come along before he learned how to condense, compress and the expel his chakra at an opponent. This is not the rasengan and Naruto himself is not capable of such a thing. Most importantly no matter what form it may be in the rasengan is a ball of compressed chakra, a ball not a beam and secondly it always requires direct contact meaning its strictly a close range attack.

While I don't really disagree with this statement I'm not completely sure the Kyuubi could pull off that particular move if not for Naruto or atleast another source of chakra. The reasoning being those blue balls were not Kyuubi chakra and it seems odd it would have used two types like that if it didn't need to do so. As such I assume the blue balls are actually Naruto's natural chakra as its always been shown blue with the Kyuubi being red instead.

Purely speculation of course as we have no way to prove or disprove it,

[Killa-Eyez]

While I don't really disagree with this statement I'm not completely sure the Kyuubi could pull off that particular move if not for Naruto or atleast another source of chakra. The reasoning being those blue balls were not Kyuubi chakra and it seems odd it would have used two types like that if it didn't need to do so. As such I assume the blue balls are actually Naruto's natural chakra as its always been shown blue with the Kyuubi being red instead.

Purely speculation of course as we have no way to prove or disprove it,

While it's pretty obvious that the blue chakra is Naruto's and the red the Kyuubi's, I still really don't think he would've need Naruto to do the move... He could've just used his own chakra instead of combining it with Naruto's. He prolly used Naruto's because the Kyuubi is not in his original state, meaning he doesn't have his usual amount of chakra making Naruto's chakra usefull to make the blast a little more powerfull.
I seriously doubt he would need Naruto for this. Though all I'm stating is not fact, just based on what I see in the anime... I think it's time for me to finally read the manga.

Give me a break. Oro was even less serious in his fight against the Third. Maybe the moment when his hands began to rot he was serious for the first time in that fight. Before that, he just smoked his cigars at leisure while the Third was fighting against his deus ex zombies.

And it surely didn't seem to me like he would have had any special ways to immediately defeat four tails. He didn't have any super zombies at hand and as we saw the mini-kyuubi was perfectly capable of disintegrating anything it touched. Oro was never in any truly real danger because he could have withdrawn at any point as the kyuubi was content at standing still, but that doesn't mean defeating it would have been that easy.

Kay, Oro might've not been that serious against the Third, but he was serious enough to get him killed... Also the Third was weak, and he was fighting his formal desciple and the mixed emotions that comes with that. That just made the work for Oro easier. So if he would get truly serious against the Kyuubi...

Kay, he might not have defeated the Kyuubi with ease, but defeat him, I think he would've. I'm not talking about killing the Kyuubi but I'm sure Oro's got a couple of sneaky Jutsu's up his sleave. Oro up till now has been a great example of a Ninja. And I think a Ninja isn't just about killing each other, but to get their goals accomplished using any means necessary. Oro would do just that.

He said best battle in Shippuuden, not best battle in Naruto.

I think using "Naruto" he meant both Naruto and Shippuuden, as a whole.

[darkmetal505]

I don't think Oro is playing around, he just seems to be, well, enjoying it. He did, after all, take notice that the Kyuubi's attack had the potential to kill him and subsequently summoned a defense that wouldn't be considered a product of "playing around."

[Idealistic]

Watching this battle the music was the last thing on my mind and its not like Naruto is known for its great music placement.

No way! Naruto had one of the best music in an anime and was used at all the appropriate times. They fit in perfectly. The music would give me the chills and get me all excited like "OH SHIIETTT!!"

Shippuuden has been lacking a lot though.

[Madeki]

Cool episode, but why is the kyuubi so content on just standing around? I mean we all know it's capable of moving pretty fast, hell just an episode ago it bitch slapped oro in a blink of an eye yet it just stands still now? oh well. The triple rashoumon was cool but why did the rashoumon look so gay? when the twins used it, it looked like a real hells gate but when oro summoned it, it looked like those rock blocks from mario. You know the ones that try to squish you when you get too close lol.


All in all decent episode but i miss the battles from the old naruto before shippuuden. The music so far has really been lacking, i remember when it used to give you chills back in the old naruto when they used to time it perfectly for the badass battle to come. the animation was great in this episode i hope they keep it up. oro is badass to the max but i want kyuubi to make him squirm some. too much staring from the kyuubi for my liking. I mean he swung his arm once and created a mini nuke explosion how about he run after oro and make oro work for his life heh. only thing i didn't really like was the mario block rashoumon other than that nice episode.

[Kraco]

Ya know, hit 'em in the face and see what happens. If Oro was truly serious like against the Third he would've beaten four tails Kyuubi already, IMO. Oro's just playin'.

Give me a break. Oro was even less serious in his fight against the Third. Maybe the moment when his hands began to rot he was serious for the first time in that fight. Before that, he just smoked his cigars at leisure while the Third was fighting against his deus ex zombies.

And it surely didn't seem to me like he would have had any special ways to immediately defeat four tails. He didn't have any super zombies at hand and as we saw the mini-kyuubi was perfectly capable of disintegrating anything it touched. Oro was never in any truly real danger because he could have withdrawn at any point as the kyuubi was content at standing still, but that doesn't mean defeating it would have been that easy.

[poopdeville]

So it's that obvious? Or are ya just spilling out some spoilers? Because the chakra balls didn't look like a high-levelled skill such as the Rasengan, but they just looked like... ehhm... "chakra balls".

See any differences? Maybe because the Kyuubi is that powerfull, it is capable of shooting big-ass purple chakra balls at any given time? Sure as heaven that blast was not taught the Kyuubi by Naruto.

Yes, it is obvious. We already know chakra is "explosive". The only way we know of to make chakra balls is to compress and rotate it randomly, using the image training Jiraiya gave Naruto to control it. Chakra won't stay looking like a ball unless someone is compressing it. It will blow up, like it did in Naruto's mouth cannon when he stopped compressing it.

We also already know that the Rasengan changes color depending on the size and amount of chakra used. Remember the purple Rasengan Naruto used against Stage II Sasuke?

Yamato and Orochimaru recognized the chakra balls as Rasengans. As Yamato explained, the Kyuubi's chakra was essentially spilling out of its container (Naruto) and trying to take the shape of the real Kyuubi. The fact that Naruto was able to

I didn't say that Naruto taught it to the Kyuubi. I said Naruto did the attack, using Kyuubi's chakra. Sure, it wasn't even exactly all Naruto, since his instincts were to become more like the Kyuubi. Obviously Naruto alone wouldn't have been able to pull of a Rasengan of that scale. And he might not have even thought of it without the Kyuubi's instincts. But it seems very clear to that they need each other to pull off that move.

[DarthEnderX]

This is in no way the best battle we have seen in Naruto.

He said best battle in Shippuuden, not best battle in Naruto.

its not like Naruto is known for its great music placement.

Ohh, I'm gonna have to disagree there big time. I think that, normally, Naruto uses music better than any other anime I've seen.

[Assertn]

The outcome of this fight will be saying a lot about the respective powers of the characters involved....not only of that of kyubi and Oro but also of Jiraiya, who almost died to the 4th tail.

Oro does seem like he's playing around, but I'm sure his skill is not so much farther than Jiraiya's.