Well, it's still not impossible she hated Hiromi's mother for whatever reason. Maybe she just lied about the relationship - for convenience's sake or something.
Well, it's still not impossible she hated Hiromi's mother for whatever reason. Maybe she just lied about the relationship - for convenience's sake or something.
hmmm i m not even sure wether she told the truth now or not... its really weird at the moment, can't they just do a blood test or something? (and since they didn't do one yet, doesn't it mean that it is not necessary? and it pretty much certain that hiromi is not his daughter?)Originally Posted by animus
and it happened way to fast to be real for me, well maybe on the other hand, she could have realized that she cares for hiromi when she disappeared together with shinichiro.. it made *click* and now she loves her ;o..... well thats pretty lame ^^
maybe the next episodes tell us more but if it is treated just like that, then i have to say this is the worst scene or lets say "chapter" in the (otherwise really good) anime.
well thats a funny thing to say since this is one of the most suspenseful episode.. a accident, a fight (why did they fight actually?), and a new "challanger" (again), and a "what-is-going-to-happen-now"-situationWell, rather boring episode, quite nothing happened.
What i always hate is that in the end, the main character can only get one girl.
I know that this is something totally unrealistic, but what IF he really loves two girls (like Noe and Hiromi) equally? Why cant they all live together? Its an anime, anyway, so it doesnt have to be completely reallife-like.
Im certain many of you will disagree with me, but imo you CAN love more than one person. And i wonder why no anime chooses such a real happy end (because otherwise there´s alway a scene where one of the girls that wasnt chosen has to suffer). Yeah, i know, wanting 2 girls at the same time sounds dickhead-ish, but at least in the world of anime it would be believably that the main character really loves them from heart.
Sorry, that´s rather generel, and not really only relating to True Tears ^^
This seems to be the case. She had a problem with Hiromi's mother for whatever reason and was taking it out on Hiromi.
@Mfauli - You should watch Maburaho then. Its not exactly what you want, but its a decent compromise.
I actually agree with you in the possibility to love 2 people at the same time, but society (at least most of it) is not so open-minded. That is why they simply cant condone that type of ending and make it happy and positive, especially considering the audience for this type of show. Even School Days, with its theme of violence and infidelity, ended badly for most (or all?) of the characters. They do the type of ending you want in a lot of hentai though.
In any case, I want Shinichiro to end up with Noe, but I dont want her to get back her tears simply because of that fact. Being Noe (meaning an absolute weirdo in the cutest way possible), I hope she will ask Shinichiro to express his love for her again in a concrete manner. Shinichiro will then show her the completed picture book, with a story that has so much impact, maybe something that relates to Noe's situation as well, then the tears come in.
Peace.
In our Christian Societies, polygamy is rare... very rare.
It does happen, but not that much.
I don't know for Asia. And I don't know if it's in the mood of this anime.
As others, I feel that this 180° turn from Schinichiro's mother hides something.
I just got an idea... The father says it's impossible Schinichiro and Hiromi are siblings.
However, he doesn't say he isn't Hiromi's father.
I know, that last one is a bit stretched...
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@MFauli in at least one of the endings to the School Days game Makoto ends up with both Sekai and Katsura (both pregnant). I agree it would be nice if a show managed to acknowledge that people can love more than one person at the same time, though to make it believe able all three participants would have to like each other, which would require some bisexuality which I think rules it out for most anime.
But getting back to True Tears, I am just not comfortable with the mom's sudden change of heart as well as Noe's apparent willingness to give up Shinichiro to Hiromi. I suppose it could be that the mom feels guilty and finally realized it but it's going to need some explanation. But Noe is a weird anime girl, and accepting that a guy you love doesn't love you as much as he loves another girl is not something weird anime girls are supposed to do.
The way I see this playing out, Hiromi and Shinichiro give going out a shot and find out they don't have as much in common as they thought and break up, making Shinichiro sad (since it'll be Hiromi who decides she doesn't want to be with Shinichiro after all). Shinichiro's misery will give Noe a chance to swoop in and cheer him up, taking his tears and crying for his broken heart.
@Yukimura: Actually I think the change isn't that sudden. I think the mother was spiteful (at Hiromi's mother) long ago and simply forgot about thier conversation. Hiromi, however, did not -- and so things the Mother said were intensified and sounded more hurtful than they should of. Only recently, the mother seems to have realized that her comments were taken as harsh criticisms and got extremely worried. Who goes running out in the middle of the night wearing flip flops?
The burning of the photobook -- I think Shinichiro's mom wanted to forget her old suspicions. She didn't want to show that side of herself.
I caught up over the course of a few days after seeing how much activity this thread was getting. Seems that I was missing out.
I have to side with Yuki, at least some of it. The mother's change of heart is abrupt, but it isn't totally out of place. She has been nasty to Hiromi since she came into the house. We have no idea exactly why she hated Hiromi's mother, but she was putting Hiromi in Hiromi's mother's place and taking it all out on her. Was the adultery unfounded suspicions? Perhaps we will never know for sure now that they have quickly resolved it.
The changeover is far to abrupt for me. That much hate and vehemence was invested in the way she treated Hiromi. The way Hiromi has acted as a result of the Shin'ichiro/Noe situation indicates to me that Hiromi is not the sort to simply forgive so easily. Yet, all problems are cleared up with "Oh, so you like that kind of music too?"
Bullshit. Unless Hiromi's behavior towards Noe was some form of living up to the character that Shin'ichiro's mother was putting on her, it should not have ended that smoothly, or that quickly.
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I would also like to see Noe 'win' in the end. Sure, she's a little weird, but she comes off just feeling "right." Shin'ichiro and Noe just seem to fit, though perhaps not as good as Aiko and he fit (but that issue has probably already been discussed to death).
I've got some bad memories of Kaori Nazuka's (Hiromi) characters and series dealbreaker harem endings.
One of the schockes could be that Shinichiro's father isn't the one at home...
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
I don't know. The house is the only home for her for now, and thus I see no practical reason for her to make it any worse by holding grudges. Sure, she was maltreated but it's not like openly hating the mother would somehow make the past and future better for Hiromi. I'm no "turn your other cheek" kind of person but neither I'm one of those who would willingly create a hell for themselves just in order to hate somebody. We don't really know where Hiromi stands here.
However, with Noe she doesn't have such high stakes. The only thing hating Noe could cause her would be to make Shin'ichiro suspect her integrity. However, she caught herself acting so cheaply and regretted it, so it's reasonable to think it was partly caused by her troubles at home (Shin'ichiro's mother) and it wasn't entirely her own personality speaking.
That´s what i thought of, too.
Until now, it was implied that Hiromi is, well, like the bastard-child. But actually...you know, Hiromi looks exactly like Shinichiro´s mother.
It's very hard for a mother not to know who their baby/childrens are, unless there was a mistake/plot right after the birth to replace the baby.
For a man though, you can't always be sure who the father is, unless you have DNA tested...
I could perfectly understand Shinichiro's mother hating Hiromi and her mother so much just because she believe Hiromi's mother add an intercourse with her husband. And sometimes her hatred may even be greater if she did the same...
Let's be tricky:
Shinichiro's mother thinks she has been cheated.
She's so angry that she decides to do the same and have a sexual relation with another man.
The thing is that she gets pregnant with that man.
To spice things a bit, that man is Hiromi's biological father...
All of this hapening when she hasn't even been cheated in the first place, but she does not know.
Hiromi's mother dies. Shinichiro's mother still holds deep hatred and transfer it upon Hiromi. She's so angry thinking she has been cheated, she cheated too and not sure who Shinichiro's father is that Hiromi really gets full hatred.
At some point, the man she lives with, thought to be Shinichiro's father explains her how impossible it is he cheated on her.
Tada, Shinichiro's mother switches because the origin of her hatred disapears.
She quiets even more because she did really cheat on her husband... and there's a bonus prize...
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
The attempt at logic above is beyond me....I don't think I'm going to even try to comment on it.
The reason she reverted appears to be that when Hiromi ran off, right after the Shin's father told her to stop being so harsh to Hiromi, "she's our child too now..."
The mother seems to have suddenly decided how worried she is about Hiromi, perhaps shocked that "her child" would run off on a snowy day and get into an accident. Lame, cheap, but that's how it looks like it was written.
I admitt I may have been a little too far, since this show is always quite balanced in everything, even when events are not that balanced.
It's more like a pastel painting, you may have strong lines, but in the end everything is soft.
However, it would be nice something strong happens.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Well, i didnt mean that Shinichiro´s mother doesnt know that Hiromi is her daughter. Rather that she knows, but that Hiromi was a child with another man.S´s mother had let go of her daughter, and due to some reason (hatred towards the father of Hiromi or having accepted that Hiromi is away) now showed her the cold shoulder.
But of course there could be some dramatic past with memory loss of S´s mother about having given birth to a daughter
Moetaku-version of episode 10 is online, is that sub group any good?
Moetaku > w00f? Really? I've never watched any of their releases.
I've found that to be the case, however since I find Rozen superior to both and w00f is usually out first I haven't watched a Moetaku release since ep 1 or 2. However I did notice the massive increase in quality between what I'm used to seeing watching w00f first and Moetaku's ep 10, it actually made me pause and think about it for a second.
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