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    h264 is normally 720p so they're both the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnynyn
    h264 is normally 720p so they're both the same
    It's as BoC wrote it.

    h264 is a way of encoding the video
    720p is the resolution and refreshement type for the image (short for 1280x720 progressive)

    h264 and 720p are unrelated.
    It's just that h264 is more efficient for encoding, hence it's choosen for 720p encodes that require a lot more data than usual resolutions.
    Xvid would give much bigger files for the same visual quality.
    Xvid is fine for older machines. When it was first developped, it was a bit power hungry... not anymore.
    h264 being more recent benefits from newer hardware speeds (although h264 isn't that recent and hardware got more power in the lapse of time)

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    H264 should be the standard format for all anime releases. The only reason why anyone would choose a 170 MB Xvid release over a 170 MB H264 one would be for DVD player compatibility. Since that only accounts for about 1% of people who download anime, H264 should be the norm. Xvid is old; technology needs to move on.

    If you don't like H264 because you can't figure out how to play it, then you don't deserve to watch anime. This is just my opinion, btw.

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    I don't have enough processing power to play H264s most of the time so i usually download .....HD.avi(even through they are big but they look good and i don't have any problem to play them) and subs(if no avi available i download mkv play it if it lags i download HD avi and Rip subs out of mkv with mkvextract.)


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    If your computer can't play standard definition H264, then it must be a complete POS and I feel sorry for you.

    I'm only talking about SD stuff here. None of that 720p stuff. The standard should be 170 MB H264, not Xvid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnynyn
    h264 is normally 720p so they're both the same
    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
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    Standard definition mkvs in h264 shouldn't be a problem on just about any computer anymore. The only issue is usually the HD releases. Does anyone roughly know the min cpu speed to play 720p in H264 using Media Player Classic(CCCP)? All our computers have H264 hardware decoding graphics cards, so it's a bit hard to measure sole cpu usage.

    edit: BoC beat me.

    edit2: sometimes though, I will prefer SD xvid to HD mkv when they're both the same file size. Not an encoder myself, but I'd expect the HD version to run at a lower bit rate, since it's the same size, despite the higher compression H264 offers. Qualitatively, I just find 170MB HD quality lacking, and I just prefer SD Xvid. 230MB/343MB are the bomb though, they look amazing.

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    great i understand even less now xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Qualitatively, I just find 170MB HD quality lacking, and I just prefer SD Xvid.

    hmmm i've got a h264.avi and a normal .avi(230mb) from ookiku furikabute and they both seem to be the same except that h264 is alot smaller (170mb)

    i ve also got a .mkv file,which is the smallest(119mb), yet it has by far the best quallity... the colours seem to be stronger while the .avi files seem a bit blurry..

    230MB/343MB are the bomb though, they look amazing.
    are you referring to a h264 or .mkv file with a size of 230/343mb here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Does anyone roughly know the min cpu speed to play 720p in H264 using Media Player Classic(CCCP)? All our computers have H264 hardware decoding graphics cards, so it's a bit hard to measure sole cpu usage.
    To take advantage of video card assisting/decoding, you have to use PureVideo (for Nvidia cards) or a DXVA-capable player (both Nvidia and ATI). I'm going to assume that none of your computers are actually taking advantage of your video card's H264 capabilities.

    For CPU requirements, any consumer dual-core CPU would be enough. Not because it's dual-core, but because all dual-core CPUs are recent enough for 720p H264 decoding to be fast enough. A fast single-core CPU (e.g. my old Athlon 64 2.5 GHz) is also fast enough to decode, but you won't be able to use intensive filters on top of the video like noise reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75
    It's just that h264 is more efficient for encoding, hence it's choosen for 720p encodes that require a lot more data than usual resolutions.
    Xvid would give much bigger files for the same visual quality.
    However, this is entirely dependent on the diligence of the encoder. I've been seeing more and more encodes from the newer groups that are still at 704x400 but are around 233 Mb.

    That's lazy encoding. If skilled encoders can get a 170 Mb file crammed into an XVID avi and still get great visual quality, they can certainly do it for the h264s in .mkv containers. I've seen mpeg-4's that are even smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Standard definition mkvs in h264 shouldn't be a problem on just about any computer anymore. The only issue is usually the HD releases. Does anyone roughly know the min cpu speed to play 720p in H264 using Media Player Classic(CCCP)? All our computers have H264 hardware decoding graphics cards, so it's a bit hard to measure sole cpu usage.
    It's not dependent upon your processor solely, it's also largely due to the decoders you are running.

    I switched from CCCP (and therefore the FFDShow) to CoreAVC to decode my h264, and I no longer have any issues with 720p encodes with my ancient 2.66 Ghz Pentium 4. CoreAVC is just that much more efficient.
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    I'd say we've all got enough information about that. Back to Horo and Chloe. >.>
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    At last scene with Chloe; was she at barn or somewhere else? i kinda confused about it.


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    Chole was let out of the barn she was staying in as part of the pagan festival honoring Horo.
    They didn't explain it too clearly. Who ever picks the last stalks of grain from the field becomes "Horo" and has to get trapped in the barn for a week to ensure a good harvest, and Horo's return next growing season.

    Who let her out, I can't say, he looked like a Church Priest rather than a member of the village.

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    Yeah, it indeed looked that way. We may assume the surrounding areas finally got bored of watching the pagan rituals and proceeded to do something about it. Let's hope they won't do anything to Chloe or the other villagers... Like burning a couple of witches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    Chole was let out of the barn she was staying in as part of the pagan festival honoring Horo.
    They didn't explain it too clearly. Who ever picks the last stalks of grain from the field becomes "Horo" and has to get trapped in the barn for a week to ensure a good harvest, and Horo's return next growing season.

    Who let her out, I can't say, he looked like a Church Priest rather than a member of the village.
    Ah, so that's how it went. The whole festival scene kinda confused me.
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    geez this series is fun to watch. The only thing i hate about it is that Lawrence looks like he's in his 40's....(it simply doesn't fit when horo says "you lack experience because you are young!" since he looks like hes about to die in a few years with his gray hair and his sleepy eyes)

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    Horo's also very old, even if he was in his 40's he'd still be young compared to her.

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    Lawrence certainly looks a bit old especially if compared to general contemporary anime looks (style), but I don't personally think quite as old as KrayZ suggests. On the other hand, since we do know he isn't so old a geezer in reality, I'm just happy he isn't any hyperactive teenager hero.

    Horo is a peculiar character because she doesn't really look that young but far from old as well. I guess it must be the sense of wildness they have so succesfully instilled in her character that gives me such a hard to define feeling when I try to judge her.

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    yes i know but it would be pointless to tell a 40 years old guy that he lacks experience especially in the middle ages where people die when they reach 45 or 50....

    it would be so much better if horo and lawrence wouldn't look so different in age.. (love story and stuff)..its not that big of a deal but its still somehow annoying.

    i tell ya, its all because of this one little line underneath his eye which makes him look so old.. you usally draw this to show (uhm what is it called) wrinkles(?) for old people.
    maybe the big difference in height plays a role too..

    it feels like Horo transformed into a 15 years old girl to me... but i m not sure if this was intended.. yet, her wildness and care free attitude fit like a glove
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    Man that nude scene after they get shelter was wayyyyyy more erotic in the manga. They made the scene in the anime into a comedic one with a happy tone.

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