I know what he fking said, i responded like that cause ofcourse he knew what was going to happen if he used it,
1. minato taught him and described the technique to him.
2. he held naruto after the damn sealing took place
3. he wasn't called the professor for nothing.
meh i need some sleep.
I still think its like they said...just a matter of age. I mean, in that battle, the old man used a shitload of chakra for anyone (high level elemental jutstu, summoning, and wielding that big ass pole)...and that was with everyone acknowledging that his chakra stamina was significantly lower than it previously was. Who know what kind of apocalyptic super destructive justsus he could have used when he was younger. Like, it was shown, KBJ and shiki fujin were most likely used as a last resort, because he didn't really have enough energy and wherewithall to keep going.
How would 3rd knew Edo Tensei if it was obviously some crazy experiment of Oro's?
Sarutobi had no idea what's going on with hokaes and had to use his exceptional intelligence to get a hold of situation.
He did not know how to stop them at first and was obviously checking the ground with exploding tags with hope that it would be enough.
And, as hokage and anime character, he could sense what's inside frickin' coffins coming from the ground
edit: he could cancel the technique in a similar fashion noob Sakura did with genjutsu used at the chuunin's exam, just on a way other lvl.
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Yup, it looks like he knows sth about it after all.
1st and 2nd knew about it as well, so Edo Tensei is just another leaf forbidden jutsu.
Makes you wonder where did all forbidden leaf jutsu came from ?
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This is completely unrelated to this chapter... but since abdula posted that youtube link i went to watch it...
I had no idea that oro intended to summon another body during his battle w\ sandaime... although idk how it would be the fourth hokage because i dont think his body was left after the sealing of the kyuubi.
Yea, it just looked like he couldn't react quickly enough...looks like he knew he was screwed.
Exactly.
Who knows how all these forbidden jutsu came about. I suppose most are like Chiyo's and just resulted from researching new jutsus or some could be like Naruto's rasengan and just be a result of the user creating a jutsu too powerful for him to handle. I suppose Edo Tensei was a result of the first method but I have no idea how something like Shiki Fujin could come about. How would one come into contact with a shinigami anyway?
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how does one come in contact with a giant slug, or a monkey king.
Yeah well that is more plausible than a shinigami. I can only Imagine what the first person to meet Gamabunta felt like.
Was it ever mentioned where the hell people find these weird creatures to summon. They said Jiraiya stumbled upon the toads but that doesn't explain anything.
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Another dimension I think. A time-space thing.
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Those weren't the original bodies of the Hokage's they (at least the two he successfully summoned) were the bodies of 2 of the sound ninja from the second test of the chuunin exam, Kin and arm blaster guy. The jutsu caused dust to gather around the sacrificed bodies and take on the form and appearance of the deceased. It can likely be assumed that the third body would have been Dosu's (the guy with the arm gauntlet and long sleeves). And the Third's body was left after he sealed Oro's arms so I'm not sure why you think the Fourth's remains shouldn't sitting in a coffin or urn or something as well.
Brings up another interesting question. Just how does one summon someone's soul. I mean doesn't summoning usually entail coming into contact with whatever creature and then making a contract that would allow you to summon said creature. So I get that Oro had to perform a lot of preparations including finding sacrifices and all but how the hell do you know who's soul your summoning and how do you contact then/it.
Yeah we know but there is nothing else to do.
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Hmm...maybe there are other kinds of summons, as we've seen people summoning before. I would guess there are different classes of summons. So, soul summoning would most likely be a forbidden type, since its an egregious affront to the dead.
Does anyone know if we should expect a chapter this week or does the break continue to next week?
We should get one this week.
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Believing the opposite of what Abdula says seems to work out well. I have discovered from the Shounen Jump raw providers that there won't be a Shounen Jump issue till the 18th. So I guess it's another week of arguing over crap again.
We've sure covered a lot in this thread: who's the strongest ninja (or is there one), who was the youngest Hokage, who's in who's genjutsu, etc. Now I guess we're on summoning.
Seeing as anything corporeal can apparently be summoned (weapons, logs, people, animals, talking animals, giant talking animals) I would imagine there is some ninja mechanism that allows one to access other dimensions for universally available storage and retrieval. Since the souls of the dead can be summoned it would follow that they must exist in some alternate dimension. So if a ninja knows the right dimension to look for and how to pull things out of other dimensions and into ours, then the only difference I see between a kunai and a soul is souls probably have a natural tendency to move to the soul dimension if not anchored to something that exists in the physical dimension.
Yeah it does seem to work well. But I said "should" because it was just my unsubstantiated guess.
Yes we've seen that any number of things can be summoned from other dimensions, we've even seen things like the flames from Itachi's Amaterasu being sealed. Then there are things like the fourth's jutsu or the jutsu Jiraiya used to get into the rain village that suggest that interdimensional travel is rather common but they have never been explained.
Yes logic would suggest that there is something that anchors the souls of the hokages to the physical world but other than their bodies what could that be. Oro didn't use their actually bodies for the jutsu he used the bodies of sacrifices so I doubt that would be it.
Then even if it is explained what anchors them to the physical world, how would Oro know about or have access to it. The first hokage for example may have been dead long before Oro was even born or sometime soon after so there is no way Oro should know of anything that connects him to this world.
Unless Oro himself traveled to the dimension in which they exist which I may be inclined to believe since he certainly seems to know alot about dimensional travel and must have thoroughly researched it. Also the dude is a creepy bastard that by no stretch of the imagination could ever be considered human and since due to his immortality jutsu his soul essentially has free roam it’s a plausible explanation. However Edo Tensei as I've said before doesn't appear to be an Oro original therefore someone else must have created if so then How.?
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If this Rikudou guy really did introduce ninjutsu to the world then it's likely he was the first to muck around with the dimensions in addition to everything else. That's not to say he created the technique, but something like bringing the dead back to life seems like something people would try to research very soon after being given a new and powerful tool like ninjutsu. Before most things gain a military use they have generally been known to scientists for a while. I think it's quite possible the first ninja we're more scientists than warriors but as the power and scope of ninjutsu was made more and more available it's military applications became more and more obvious and a war was started, leading to the formation of the villiages and organized ninja training etc.
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