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    I personally thought that the way they made it look like Ozma was going to die was very well done. I just couldn't be sure whether it will happen one way or another, and I like how they concluded it by breaking the cliche of developing a character then simply killing them off.
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    It was actually funny since they knew that it was such a buzzkill at the end when Michael was like "It would've been such a dramatic death, too."

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    Oh man, I can't say how much I love that new Galaxy squad with their huge beam-canons...
    definitively the coolest unit so far.

    hmmm now we have an opening with Ranka and a ending with Sheryl...
    but for some reason I feel like Ranka has the upper hand... poor Sheryl

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    Sheryl's popularity is doing down hill in comparison to the Songstress of Hope. If she is to make a comeback in her career, she'll need to become something equally figurative. Perhaps Ranka's singing may be somehow ineffective in the future, and it's only combined with Sheryl's singing (plus the Fold Quatz earing) that they finally defeat the Vajra.

    Random speculation.

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    I hope she doesn't....and takes Alto while Ranka is distracted supporting the war effort!

    From the looks of the preview, Sheryl is going to be considerable depressed if Grace outright tells Sheryl that she is a total failure and the only reason they were using her is because they hoped she might have had the same effect on the Vajra that Ranka does. Or that's my guess anyway. Sheryl needs to find her place in the galaxy again.

    On the other side, we also know that Mikael was asking Klan about her pharmacolgy friend. He played it off that he wanted to date this reportedly attractive blond, but it looks more like he will ask her what the hell is in the pill of "medicine" he swiped from the stash Grace was feeding Sheryl.

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    Here's the part that confuzzles me...

    Varja are ever adapting to the battle scenario gathering new info and redesigning themselves because of it. Varja have fold quartz within themselves. It is that fold quartz that resonates with Sheryl and Ranka's songs (Sheryl because of the earrings and Ranka presumably because she has it within her... glowing purpleness when she was close to the queen... further explaining why Aiku likes her). How does the song somehow affect the fact that the varja have modified their armor? They may act stupider and more erratic but in the end they will still be able to withstand the barrage Frontier and Galaxy veritechs are throwing at them. I could only see the veritechs having an advantage if they plan on hand to hand combat from now on... which is highly doubtful. Plus, you'd think the varja would adapt by some kind of fold quartz dampener to put around themselves.

    Edit: The more I think about it... the varja are using the fold waves for communication so dampening wouldn't make sense. I guess the songs scramble the signals from the queen which is why their fighting and movements become more erratic. Still though... that shouldn't affect their armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtallography
    Here's the part that confuzzles me...

    Varja are ever adapting to the battle scenario gathering new info and redesigning themselves because of it. Varja have fold quartz within themselves. It is that fold quartz that resonates with Sheryl and Ranka's songs (Sheryl because of the earrings and Ranka presumably because she has it within her... glowing purpleness when she was close to the queen... further explaining why Aiku likes her). How does the song somehow affect the fact that the varja have modified their armor? They may act stupider and more erratic but in the end they will still be able to withstand the barrage Frontier and Galaxy veritechs are throwing at them. I could only see the veritechs having an advantage if they plan on hand to hand combat from now on... which is highly doubtful. Plus, you'd think the varja would adapt by some kind of fold quartz dampener to put around themselves.

    Edit: The more I think about it... the varja are using the fold waves for communication so dampening wouldn't make sense. I guess the songs scramble the signals from the queen which is why their fighting and movements become more erratic. Still though... that shouldn't affect their armor.
    Use the song to disrupt their movement, then surround and destroy. If none make it back, the rest will not know about the new weaponry and it's counter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Use the song to disrupt their movement, then surround and destroy. If none make it back, the rest will not know about the new weaponry and it's counter.
    xtallography's edit is correct. They said in the last episode that the vajra communicate immediately. Most of them report on how they were attacked as they are destroyed. Ranka's songs cut them off from that hive mind.

    We haven't seen them fight with Ranka against them after they got the new armor though.

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    Judging from the encounter of sheryl and her assistant, Sheryl must have an idea about her assistant's conspiracy. she gave that "look". Michael should tell Alto about the drug. He may do something to prevent Sheryl from dying,,

    Thanks shinta|hikari for the sig.

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    Hot off the production line:

    Macross Frontier 18 - gg

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    did anyone have problems with gg's episode 18? It keeps badly hitching at the OP.

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    I have problems with the OP on everything gg does. Code Geass and Macross, every time. It has something to do with their karaoke for the OP's and their encoding.

    Anyway, I hate the remix of Aimo (and knowing Macross, we're going to be hearing it a LOT, I got just as sick of My Boyfriend's a Pilot) and now that they are more openly comparing Ranka to Minmay, I dislike her even more. I hated Minmay throughout SDF-1, and Ranka is souring for me really fast.

    It is funny that Sheryl always boasted her appeal was she her being 100% natural, and she was a manufactured idol in more ways that one. Grace's little organization planned it all, temporarily fixed her, and pulled her literally out of the gutter. Personally, that raises the appeal for Sheryl that much more. She's not some amnesiac about the whole thing either, she knows all about it.

    What's really pissing me off is how much Mophead Asshole seems to be toying around with the government. We don't know what he's after still, and he comes off as the biggest slimeball. Worse, we know that he is being manipulated by Grace's cadre.

    On a lighter note, Cathy with arms loaded with bags, and Klan's tiny child-sized labcoat were hilarious. Klan hasn't been much of an aviatrix lately, we haven't seen her in a Quadleun since her silent-flightmate died.

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    It was a good ep. At least they explained the Sheryl health situation clearly enough. Plus, it's good to see that Michael is aware of Klan's feelings for him although it was funny that his explanation as to why he couldn't say anything to her about it seemed to go over her head (no height pun intended).

    Like Ryllharu, I am just getting tired of ranka and the Aimo song regardless of the version. Also, it seems ranka's singing had very little affect on the actual fighting going on in the sense that the varja were still immune to the conventional weapons the SMS and Frontier military were using. It's a shame that the Frontier's military branch has been reduced to canon fodder in the series while the veritechs from the Galaxy (well the purple at least) appear slightly invincible (for now).

    They have to know that any time ranka sings after the long range fold that it acts as a homing beacon for the varja (even if they didn't have some tagging along in the bowels of a ship somewhere). Eventually the varja would find them all again.

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    It seems quite unreasonable their whole selection of possible weapons would over time become useless. Wouldn't that mean the vajra are accumulating new armor layer by layer? Logic dictates they become likewise bulkier and heavier with each change, thus slower and easier targets all in all, unless they drop immunity from the other end, making again some older weapons usable. I'm sure the humans and Zentradi possess an endless variety of weapons already. And considering their combat vehicles, it should be a piece of cake to equip any manner of weapons, or even change them in the middle of a battle.

    It just disturbs me the vajra are presented like some masters of adaptation while humans (and Zentradi) apparently can't change or develop anything new. Except new fold drives and clandestine plots. If I'm not mistaken, Alto still fights with the same kind of totally ineffective low caliber machine gun that we saw in the very beginning when the one hapless pilot got killed. Why the heck hasn't he got a decent new main gun?

    Well, I guess it's all because Ranka is their new piece of artillery so it doesn't matter what kind of sticks and slingshots they swing around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    It seems quite unreasonable their whole selection of possible weapons would over time become useless. Wouldn't that mean the vajra are accumulating new armor layer by layer? Logic dictates they become likewise bulkier and heavier with each change, thus slower and easier targets all in all, unless they drop immunity from the other end, making again some older weapons usable. I'm sure the humans and Zentradi possess an endless variety of weapons already. And considering their combat vehicles, it should be a piece of cake to equip any manner of weapons, or even change them in the middle of a battle.

    It just disturbs me the vajra are presented like some masters of adaptation while humans (and Zentradi) apparently can't change or develop anything new. Except new fold drives and clandestine plots. If I'm not mistaken, Alto still fights with the same kind of totally ineffective low caliber machine gun that we saw in the very beginning when the one hapless pilot got killed. Why the heck hasn't he got a decent new main gun?

    Well, I guess it's all because Ranka is their new piece of artillery so it doesn't matter what kind of sticks and slingshots they swing around...
    Its science fiction. They can do whatever the hell they want to. Heck, they could say that the Vajra are the same size and mass due to "fake scientific fact X" and it would satisfy your irk. Same thing with Alto's bird.

    The really funny thing is that you question those two plot devices, but ignore that RANKA'S SINGING MAKES ALIENS STUPID. But of course, they already explained that bit with a thing about folds in space and magic. :P

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    @Kraco - the armor does not need to increase in size or thickness. Think of it in terms of better material. A thin titanium plate is both lighter and tougher than a steel plate of the same dimensions. I guess that is how it works in this case.

    I do understand your complaints though, since it is not really due to the factor of believability but the gap between humans and the vajira in terms of adaptability.
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    I don't buy a material change either. Because from what we have seen, the human and Zentradi machines are made of rather weak materials. Since they are supposed to live in the same universe, it makes no sense the vajra would miraculously develop a new uber material resisting everything old and new every month whereas the human and Zentradi can come up with nothing new. I mean, if that was the case, the humans would surely collect vajra corpses from the space and cover their fighters with pieces of them...

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    I can see the "Vajra powered fold engines" plot coming. It sucks, MF sucks, I wanted this series to go In Fuego a while ago but now it goes down the Naruto's Fillers Avenue.

    Aimo song makes me skip ahead, and considering how much that song is fucking played this episode lasted 460 seconds for me. How about Ranka NOT singing, and plots not being made out of bullshit composed alloy ?

    Macroos Frontier is basically reduced to a simple equation [Japanese MTV + Anime = Macross Frontier]

    Repeat song a few thousand times w/ nice visuals props, insert commercial in the middle. There you go, CommerciAnime, Hello.

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    I'm not sure, but aren't Vajira semi-organic? Maybe they are simply evolving their armor, so it does not need to exist beforehand (like mined metal) and can be perfectly new (meaning new organic substance, not a new element) since it is produced in reaction to the attacks. It may be similar to a spider web, which is stronger than steel (I think) with identical dimensions.

    I guess the reason the Macross side isn't salvaging stuff from space is because they can't use it. They are studying the vajira, and if it were possible, they would have made use of all its abilities if they could. We can't really be sure anyway.
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    Not only that, but humans have to deal with the cost of mass manufacturing, energy shortages, and design limits. This isn't even touching resources yet. Galaxy's that advanced because of an unlimited budget, and from what we can see, Frontier doesn't have that luxury.

    I can buy the fact that Vajra can adapt to different weapons and stuff. Like Shinta said, it's an ever evolving process, not simply slapping one on top of another.

    The only thing that seems unreal is the pace at which te aliens evolve. They're accelerating something that is a long but entirely possible process to less mere weeks/months.

    Anyway, I enjoyed this ep quite a bit. I'm still not entirely sure of what Sheryl's disease state is like. Can she be cured? The thesis was about management and prevention, while we're not sure if that technology is entirely confined to Galaxy or not. Mind you, it doesn't mention cure, but seeing both divas in the OP is promising.

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