Macross Frontier

[KrayZ33]

I don't know why you wait for HD anyways... theres no need for that, I watched Gattai's releases at first, there is no difference except one thing. Gattai's subs are worse.

especially the songs are poorly translated imho

are Gattai's really HD? Or just upscaled stuff...

btw gg releases are: # Display: 848x480 (7-10), 1280x720 (11+)

http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru1.jpg
http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru4.jpg
http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru2.jpg

so, just go with GG now ^^
I don't think that Gattai's are better animation wise (episode 11+)... and [gg] make the best subs in my opinion

weren't Gattai the one who translated "point" as " . " in a song?

[Yukimura]

I was under the impression Gattai decided to stop subbing so it's either Lunar or GG if you want to watch Macross ~weekly. Anime-in-Action & Infinite-Zero or Shinsen if you like waiting a week to a week and a half, and the group of 3 if you like waiting several weeks between episodes. Oh and Chihiro if you like watching crap every week.

I have been watching both Lunar and GG depending on who comes out first and haven't really felt bad about either. I wasn't paying much attention to the presence of any karaoke during the songs though so I can't speak to it's quality.

[Kraco]

Lunar is fine. I've been watching them ever since I grew bored of waiting for the three party collaboration effort.

I think the "brother" was just talking shit, mainly. I don't know why he doesn't want to inherit, but it's complete bs Alto wouldn't want to really be a pilot. Maybe there's some shared freedom in flying and being able to be somebody, whoever, else in acting, but there's also the factor Alto obviously was acting for a long time and the scene in this episode showed how harsh a school and upbringing he endured. It's no wonder if he learned to act very well and thus can easily act some stunt role if needed, without any hesitation, whether he really wanted or not.

In the end it's not like people have one fated profession they can only be good at and interested in. Alto is obviously a pretty gifted dude so chances are he could do a good number of things very well, but what he inherently wants to do is something where he can feel free, which could be a result of having a very unfree childhood. In any case, like was said already, the one scene alone where he was flying the paper plane as a kid proves the "brother's" speech was full of propaganda.

[David75]

Well, Alto could still be the main role in a war movie depicting his pilot duties...
A kind of revamped "Top Gun"
After all, F-14's variable geometry wings is some kind of prehistoric valkyrie

The other underlying idea is that for some purpose, macross government needs propaganda and use Sheryl for that matter. Alto would be the perfect complement.

[Buffalobiian]

[Nipponsei] Macross Frontier Ranka Lee Debut Single - Seikan Hikou [Nakajima Megumi].zip

[Buffalobiian]

Macross Frontier 12 - gg

[animus]

Man I'll be so disappointed if Sheryl loses this love triangle war.

[David75]

Man I'll be so disappointed if Sheryl loses this love triangle war.

Seems like Ranka has a great power on her side. So you could say she's on equal terms with Sheryl.
But love isn't jsut about qualities or powers...

Funny how I was mentioning Top Gun and the next ep Alto uses the full air brake trick...

[Darknodin]

I personally didn't really like that ep.
Were the Zentradi always this stupid looking? The ones in the mall looked normal, not like cliché henchmen (why are they purple???)
of course, the music, action was awesome, but that story felt rushed. The super fold engine was also a lame plot device (unnecessary too!).
The season had so many great episodes so far, I was kind of expecting a bad apple. Hopefully this means that what's coming next is so awesome that the writers rushed the bridge to get to the good part.

[shinta|hikari]

I just disliked it because it was a pro-Ranka episode.

[Buffalobiian]

We needed one in there somewhere. The last 3 or four have been pro-Sheryl. If they ever wanted to develop Ranka into Sheryl's rival, they would've needed something like this.

[Kraco]

I thought the episode was fine. But then again, I have been pro-Ranka for a long time and only recently have begun to think Sheryl is fine as well. So, it doesn't really matter to me which one Alto is going to choose. I don't usually like triangles at all, though, but if they build the story otherwise in a good way, I can cope with them.

Considering the ending, I wonder if I'm going to miss something in the coming episodes due to not having watched most of the older Macross series (except for Zero). Well, time will tell.

[KrayZ33]

the "power of singing" just came out of the blue... I know that this isn't something new for Macross fans but for me it was... macross zero was nothing like this

"hey look I'm a loli, listen to my song" *lalalala* "ok lets stop fighting, my nose is bleeding!"

at first they made it look like the zentradi didn't care about those Idols at all and then, suddently they did.. (I'm talking about the guys in the purple armor, the green ones were fans of sheryl :P)
It felt horrible and poorly made... it's like someone is going to sell hotdogs or something and everyone stops fighting because they are hungry.

Not so good ep imho.. especially because I wasn't so sure what was going on anyway..everything felt so random and I had problems in following the plot...

well at least the animation looked nice, beautiful sun/clouds etc.

I hope the next episodes are going to focus more on the actual plotline and has some vajra again.

btw, I enjoy the singing scenes normally.. I liked Sheryls first concert very much and Ranka singing a song at "miss macross"... but this looked a bit ridiculous. Maybe this is what macross is really about but I'd prefer it Sheryl+Ranka are just singing songs at concerts or out of fun which gives Alto some "special power" while he fights the rebel-Zentradi or Vajra.

for example like the mockbattle against the zentradi squad and Ranka singing this song at "miss macross"
or when Alto was fighting the Vajra to help Macross Galaxy and Sheryl had a concert at the same time on Macross Frontier

[Kraco]

If a bunch of starving people are fighting each other over scraps of food and suddenly a truck loaded with food supplies stops next to them, you can very well consider it likely the people would stop their useless waste of energy and go get some food from the truck. I don't think most of these zentradi had any particular reason for fighting there. They were just a bunch who hadn't adapted that well to the human society yet apparently they have some genetic predisposition to love human music nonetheless. So, they were mainly fighting because they were frustrated and pissed off, not because they would have had some real objective. Maybe some of them had like that one dude Alto defeated but that doesn't apply to all of them.

And if Macross is like this, then it is like this. There are 13 regular series in a dozen of fighting mecha series so it's only good if Macross has something that sets it apart like this music thing. If you can't accept it, you don't have to. But for those who don't mind or even like it, it makes the series that much better than those other series that have nothing but "may the best mecha or best pilot win".

[shinta|hikari]

While I understand what Kraco is trying to say, I have to admit this episode felt really unnatural and unbelievable. It is not really simply the idea of music stopping conflict (which is perfectly fine considering the zentradi previously had no culture, so exposure to music can produce great effects), but the delivery was kind of silly IMO. I would have chosen a more dramatic and touching song rather than a pop one for the music, and the reaction or results need not be that extensive. Instead of every soldier except the leader just dropping their weapons, a gradual cease fire then maybe dialogue about the effort of the young girl and her touching singing could have ensued. The cheering right after the shooting made me shiver in disgust to be honest.

[KrayZ33]

And if Macross is like this, then it is like this. There are 13 regular series in a dozen of fighting mecha series so it's only good if Macross has something that sets it apart like this music thing. If you can't accept it, you don't have to. But for those who don't mind or even like it, it makes the series that much better than those other series that have nothing but "may the best mecha or best pilot win".

I don't have a problem with that but its just funny that they shot and killed each other (maybe some of them lost their best friends during the fight) and then ranka appears and they hug each other....
Its simply overdone, thats all.

And on top of that: They didn't start the fight because Sheryl wasn't able to sing... they planned this from the beginning... so why do they stop now... well ok I can accept this, but why the sudden change in their behavior? At least they could have made it look less stereotyped. especially since Ranka was a no-name like 1 week before all this happened.

Ranka made them forget simply everything... its like I'm killing 4 guys and Jesus says "forgive him, he didn't mean it" and everyone ignores what I did 2 seconds before

[animus]

its like I'm killing 4 guys and Jesus says "forgive him, he didn't mean it" and everyone ignores what I did 2 seconds before

Not a good example, a lot of crazy religious people would.

[Kraco]

Actually nobody died nor even got wounded there. I rewatched both the fights and didn't see a single instance of a succesful hit, despite all the shooting. So, that shouldn't have caused any hard feelings. It all was pretty much cover fire, nothing more. That also tells they were fighting pretty half-heartedly. Maybe these troops had never seen a live concert and thus were so surprised and awed by it.

[KrayZ33]

Actually nobody died nor even got wounded there. I rewatched both the fights and didn't see a single instance of a succesful hit, despite all the shooting. So, that shouldn't have caused any hard feelings. It all was pretty much cover fire, nothing more.

First of all: This pretty much means nothing... we don't get to see a lot of things which happen in Macross Frontier... take the fight between macross Galaxy and the Vajra... do you think they just sent in 6 planes in there? They launched the skull squadron, the zentradi squad + 2 or 3 others... yet we only got to see the skull squadron fighting.

btw
you should watch closely then because when Ranka appears, some warriors are supporting the wounded zentradi.

Maybe these troops had never seen a live concert and thus were so surprised and awed by it.

Yes and I'm fine with that, but they could have done it a bit less overdone and clichéd, it's just that I'm not used to see this in a modern anime... It's something I would expect to see in animes meant for kids and not young adults

[Kraco]

First of all: This pretty much means nothing... we don't get to see a lot of things which happen in Macross Frontier... take the fight between macross Galaxy and the Vajra... do you think they just sent in 6 planes in there? They launched the skull squadron, the zentradi squad + 2 or 3 others... yet we only got to see the skull squadron fighting.

Oh, noes! This is a completely different thing. You won't get that easily out of it. This wasn't a full-scale war but just very limited conflict and we actually see all of it because the shots from distance show it all!

you should watch closely then because when Ranka appears, some warriors are supporting the wounded zentradi.

Alright, I admit one dude sprained his ankle when running for cover, but that's not an excuse for a bloody vendetta with no remorse or going back.