Macross Frontier

[GurrenLagann]

Well they mention the BIRD people in episode 8 using screens directly from Zero, so this kinda expands from more than just sheryl i'm starting to think Zero has become the prequel to Frontier...Oh Ranka singing the songs and all that are just homages nothing really related to the story like Zero's bird people and Nome last name

[Ryllharu]

They are all prequels though. It's not just one or the other.

The events of Zero bring in some of our lead characters.
The events of SDF set the stage (the allied Zentradi and colony ships).
The events of Plus bring us the attitude of the pioneer, the maverick pilot, and of two different singers.
...and Macross 7 we can pretend doesn't exist.

[GurrenLagann]

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier. Macross 7 was good I mean, it had space whales!

[Buffalobiian]

Macross Frontier - 09 gg Fansubs

[NeoBear]

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier. Macross 7 was good I mean, it had space whales!

oh god please never ever speak of the space whales again....


and man they are blowing my mind i knew this would be better then MC7 but its going into godly mode they are pulling all of the (GOOD) from every thing that came be for Frontier and some how ditching all the bad and thats no small task =)

[Ryllharu]

So the reason Klan gets all feisty around Michael when she's Micloned is because she likes him so much. Not much of a surprise, but young (yet still giant) Klan was cute. Must be weird to have a childhood relationship with someone many times your size. I had no idea they were vaguely the same age.

We also got to see the Micloning process, so now some our questions about that are answered.

It seems like Grace has her hand in everything. Spying on the meeting, knowing who Michael's sister was, etc. I don't know if they are just using her Voice Actress (Kikuko Inoue) again, but whoever is controlling Purple 1 has the same voice. It's very suspicious that Grace knows all these things and may be controlling someone who we are not very sure which side they're on.

At the same time, there's doubt, since Macross Frontier uses voice actors over. Aya Hirano is used twice (one of the operators, and one of the Meltrandi pilots), and Houko Kuwashima plays two different roles (Nanase and Kanaria). We can't be sure if his controller is Grace or not.

But it brings up the idea that there is a much bigger conspiracy going on. Why do they want the information about the Vajra not getting out? Did they create them? Or are they noble in nature? Are they trying to keep it for themselves or simply prevent the Frontier military from studying them for use as weapons? Too many possibilities.

But Brera (Purple 1) was more than happy to shoot up Klan and Alto, so I have to lean towards them being evil.

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier.

You might finally be right about next week's episode, but I fail to see any connection to Zero earlier in the series. If you want to provide some examples like I have, I would appreciate it, then maybe I can better see where you are coming from. SDF-1 and Plus have a much more prominent influence, particularly the former.

[GurrenLagann]

Well in Macross F they use the traditional Macross SDF-1 and plus Story style for example, love triangle between the main character, a Hikaru type a Max type and Kakizaki type (Alto, Micheal, Luca). However it seems that Macross Frontier makes a direct connection to Macross Zero, in episode 8 they mention the "bird people" and show footage from the ruins in Zero, Sheryl is part of the nome family, Probably Mao Nome. Maybe in macross frontier we will know what the hell happen to Shinn and Sarah...(I still want basara to make an epic come back have a duet with Sheryl)

[KrayZ33]

Pretty nice episode!

Favorite scene: Vajra attacking the NUNS getting intercepted by 2 military fighters :P that was cool, too bad we didn't see more of this.

Btw the gestures done by Mechas look somehow weird ^^. It must be because its "too much" computer animated, I wish they would animate less with the computer and work more with actually drawn scenes.

But for example in episode 1 there was this scene with alto were he rushed forward shooting his gun.. that looked like it was taken out of some computer game which was created 5 years ago or so. (not so good...)

And I somehow start to hate sheryls manager...however I can't explain the reason at the moment. It's just her attitude and the way she smiles... the smile of her is ugly :/

[KrayZ33]

sry doublepost...

[xtallography]

I did like the ep but it made me laugh every time they showed Michael trying to aim a rifle at a target sporadically moving and then his "they're moving too fast" made me laugh even more. Well, of course they are and of course you'll never get a shot off. I realize that he was trying to find the pattern in the movement (ala Klan's fight with the purple mech) but it still just seemed kinda silly to me.

Sheryl's manager now becomes more interesting since she is (unknowingly ) listening in on the SMS/military briefings and ordering around the purple mech (I've forgotten that guy's name and too lazy to go back and see if it was said while he was watching Ranka). It does help explain more of the real motive to have Sheryl at the academy (and now in the SMS group there) and will she "fall" for Michael's advances for the sake of more insider information. Plus if she does and that ends badly it will replay the whole sibling experience which leads into the idea of history repeating... a tenet of Macross itself. Also, you can make the argument that she is behind the hampering of Ranka's career given her "connections".

The preview for the next ep didn't look that exciting. It just seemed like a love triangle development episode.

[KrayZ33]

I realize that he was trying to find the pattern in the movement (ala Klan's fight with the purple mech) but it still just seemed kinda silly to me.

Thats what i thought, too... especially after he said "give me the course data".

And wow, the "best sniper" in S.M.S. managed to miss 2 times a target which doesn't move.
S.M.S. surely sucks ^^

edit: btw can anyone tell me how accurate [gg]-subs are? Are they a good group?
Because I watched different version and well... everyone seems to translate nearly everthying differently.

ah and just watched the preview..."Legend of Zero", yay!

[NeoBear]

ya know i don,t really understand why everyone seems to want to tie Zero in with Frontier from a time line stand point?

i certainly understand that they are going to use some of the (lore) from zero but i mean zero does not seem like it can happen in the what i would think is the normal macross time line. in the first macross it was explained that when the macross ship was found it was our first contact with aliens it was also why VF's were created in the first place and also the frist time we saw zentradi

however in zero there wear no zentradi and the the VF's seem to have just been introduced with the enemy flying them as well also there was no Macross'?

so zero would have had to taken place be for or after Macross but in either case it would not work as far as i can tell. the way i see it zero was just a side story with theme's used from the macross lore.

so while i have no problum with them pulling lore from macross i don,t understand how they would try to fit it into the Frontier time line im interested in seeing how they pull it off in the next episode.

[Kraco]

I wonder if we will see the Purple 1 pilot anymore on Frontier. After all, they now have video footage of the mecha, so he shouldn't be able to get anywhere near it without being shot at. I can't imagine they would let a recognized enemy to get near, least of all dock. Perhaps he will keep his fighter somewhere else and just travel there by using a common shuttle.

[NeoBear]

i think you are over thinking things im pretty sure that it will never EVER be explained why he has been able to fly in and out of frontier (undetected). im sure they will explain who he is or something but explaineing wich dock he flys out of or what codes he uses to get buy the security/cameras ect ect will never be explained.

if they do explain it he will be part of a SUPER SECRET NINJA group that works under cover or some crap

[xtallography]

Well, whatever group he is working for, they seem to be involved in the varja on that wrecked freighter and they want it kept quiet.

If I had to guess, I'd say some secret military unit. Probably some crazy biological warfare research project that was started and grew out of control and thus "became" the varja.

[GurrenLagann]

ya know i don,t really understand why everyone seems to want to tie Zero in with Frontier from a time line stand point?

i certainly understand that they are going to use some of the (lore) from zero but i mean zero does not seem like it can happen in the what i would think is the normal macross time line. in the first macross it was explained that when the macross ship was found it was our first contact with aliens it was also why VF's were created in the first place and also the frist time we saw zentradi

however in zero there wear no zentradi and the the VF's seem to have just been introduced with the enemy flying them as well also there was no Macross'?

so zero would have had to taken place be for or after Macross but in either case it would not work as far as i can tell. the way i see it zero was just a side story with theme's used from the macross lore.

so while i have no problum with them pulling lore from macross i don,t understand how they would try to fit it into the Frontier time line im interested in seeing how they pull it off in the next episode.

Zero was the start of Macross, of course there won't be any zentran or meltran that happens a year later. Frontier time line takes about 50Years, you make it sound as if wasn't possible to add to frontie, how hard is it to understand that they are connecting Zero to Macross Frontier >_>;.

The Vf27S pilot comes from the macross galaxy fleet,I'm thinking that He's taking orders from Grace, but this is only my assumption....

[NeoBear]

Zero was the start of Macross, of course there won't be any zentran or meltran that happens a year later. Frontier time line takes about 50Years, you make it sound as if wasn't possible to add to frontie, how hard is it to understand that they are connecting Zero to Macross Frontier >_>;.

The Vf27S pilot comes from the macross galaxy fleet,I'm thinking that He's taking orders from Grace, but this is only my assumption....

...how do you figure zero is the start of macross did you watch the original macross?

so lets say that zero was the start why in the original do they say the world was basicaly in a slump then bam this shit (the macross) drops outta the sky and the world comes togeather to study it further more after reserching the Macross it was learned that there was a possibility of a race of giants wich is why VFs were created in the first place.

if zero is the start why did they have VFs and why did the enemy have them and why wear there no mention of zentradie ect ect it seems pretty clear to me without having to think about it that Macross was the start and zero was just a side story (OAV)

if you dont agree thats ok but have a look at
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Main_Page

theres plenty of info on time lines reading a bit and + the fact that i was there back in day (im pretty old ya know =/) it just would not make sense for zero to be first if you want to tie it in ok but first how the hell do you get VFs without the damn ship droping outta the sky witch happened in MACROSS!!!! >.<

[David75]

What amazes me is that that Pink Fighter looses a leg and possibly a full arm (or at least shoulder) and is still able to transform back from mecha to plane and speed away from the fight as if it was nothing.

The other strange thing is that Alto is able to be on a higher level than him when it seems his fighting suit is so superior. You could say it was a way of buying time and occupy Alto and Michel so that the mission is completed: Klan, Alto and Michel do not get anything from that ship.

Michael, Mickael or Michel? Well Alto used Michel and some other pronounciation.
It seems clear that Michel (pronounciation around Me-Shell) is from a french background, so the pronounciation should be that one. Also he is a seducer, stereotype for french young guys. In the same train of thought I wonder if anything sexual happened beetween him and Klan... Or if he did, from that ep, it was in gigantic form... lucky guy but they're more like childhood friends with klan having a crush on him (love wise of course... or he'd be dead...) and him never going out with her.

And yes, Vajra could be some experiment that didn't go as planned...

[KrayZ33]

theres plenty of info on time lines reading a bit and + the fact that i was there back in day (im pretty old ya know =/) it just would not make sense for zero to be first if you want to tie it in ok but first how the hell do you get VFs without the damn ship droping outta the sky witch happened in MACROSS!!!! >.<

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross -> Chronology 1999-2012
Macross Zero -> Chronology 2008 (and @ the beginning July 1999)
Macross Frontier -> Chronology 2059

Macross zero was set in the last year of the war between the UN Spacy and the Anti-UN separatist forces

But since the spaceship dropped in 1999 (shin says that a second sun has risen) it's very likely that they reasearched it and tried to rebuild the aircraft...

wikipedia says this:
In 1999, a city-sized alien spacecraft crashes on Earth and over the course of 10 years the humans reverse-engineered the technology and rebuilt the spacecraft. It is completed just before a fleet of Zentradi warships arrive on the hunt for the ship which belongs to their enemy, the Supervision Army (See Protodeviln)

so Zero plays one year Before the war against the Zentradi
I don't know when the actual plot of SDF-macross started. but I think it's focussed on the war against the giant race.. so ya macross zero is chronology the oldest of the macross series.

Another fact to support this theory is that Shin is a Pilot of a VF-0 and the one of SDF-Macross is a Pilot of a VF-1S (as far as I know the VF-1 was only a test-unit at first but got mass-produced later because of its success)

All in all... macross zero does play before the main-plot of SDF-Macross

we got to know in macross zero that the spaceship dropped alrdy (see intro sequence)
So the spaceship did not only drop in SDF-Macross but in Macross-Zero too.

edit: I'm repeating myself :/

[Ryllharu]

...but the first series (and a few recaps in the other series, including this one) states that VF's were developed as a response to the Zentradi and Meltrandi suits.

It doesn't make sense for Zero to have developed the variable fighters for any purpose but that.

@David: All of the pronunciations are acceptable. Alto called him Mikael (Mi-ki-al) at the beginning, while Luca and Klan called him (Mi-shell). Alto has now switched to that as well, and Luca's reaction implied that his close friends say his name that way.