Naruto Chapter 383

[joker-kun]

Could it be a reflection of Mount Hokage?

Yes obviously. I said that in brackets.

[mr3vi1m0nk3y]

Could it be a reflection of Mount Hokage?

It's obviously a reflection of Mount Hokage, though its been distorted so it looks like Jiraiya and Sarutobi.

[DB_Hunter]

Seems to be a reflection of Mt Hokage, but with the whole omen thing the reflection is coming across as Sarutobi and Jiraiya.

[Assertn]

This was an interesting question, but fairly easy to answer.
9+31+8+106+7+207+15= 383 = the current chapter. I do not think Jiraya is referring to the manga chapters but he's referring to the page 383 of his own book.

...and in Jiraiya's dying breath, he writes an encryption with even more encryption by breaking up an arbitrary number into the sum of 7 smaller numbers. If that's the case, then I don't know if I should see it as an insult to Pein for assuming he lacks basic math skills, or an insult to Pa, who clearly lost quite a bit more flesh from having 13 numbers etched into his back rather than 3.

[k_truong]

wonder what was peins secret...... any one like to take any guesses?

[Munsu]

That Zetsu knows that there's a Madara doesn't mean that he knows that Tobi is Madara. And that could be true for everyone in Akatsuki... they could all know there's a Madara, but not know that Tobi is him. And also, that he calls himself Madara doesn't exclude him from being Obito... Obito could be calling himself that, though I don't buy it.

[yvliew]

who is obito again? Kakashi's teammate when they were young?

[Abdula]

I think Zetsu knows Tobi is Madara. One, because Zetsu appears to have been there for a long time which could have been since Madara was talking to Pein. Two, because Zetsu was the one who brought "tobi" into Akatsuki in the first place and three because he apparently has a jutsu or ability that allows him to be omnipresent or atleast allows him to see seemingly everywhere.

I think it was definitely a reflection of Mount Hokage. Where this relates to Jiraiya is that she is only seeing the previous two hokages or more importantly the two people who gave their lives to protect the village.

I think Itachi just wants to test Sasuke's eyes. Like he said before Sasuke will not be able to defeat him unless he possesses the MS as Itachi does. Sasuke's confidence leads me to believe that he does or he won't be going after Itachi. More importantly all Oro, Itachi and Madara have talked about is how strong Sasuke's eyes are and that they will eventually surpass Itachi's. So I think that this is just another test.

It does, however, make Zetsu's conversation with himself a little weirder back when he was arguing about Tobi as a candidate for akatsuki.

I just don't think Kishi plans that far ahead. During the arc the anime is currently in for example, Jiraiya said that Naruto was able to go four tails because the seal was breaking but later on it was revealed that he had actually used the key to loosen the seal. I don't know how far ahead Kishi plans but it seems to be a week to week thing to me.

[Assassin]

when did they mention anything about the key? i don't remember that

[joker-kun]

I don't think everyone (in the akatsuki) knows that Tobi is Madara, so Zetsu couldn't have tried to recruit him by saying "oh he's Madara", and Pain couldn't have let him join without him proving himself or else everyone would have got suspicious. I think the ones who know are probably Pain, Zetsu and Madara himself. It's possible that Itachi knows. With them both bing Konoha ninja and both being Uchiha he could have fed him some bullshit about how the Uchiha are traitors and Itachi thought it best to exterminate them. To be honest though I think Itachi has had his own agenda since the beginning and we'll find out what it is soon.

[Assertn]

and Konan

[Abdula]

All the Akatsuki have their own agendas. That was well established when they were sealing the two tails after Asuma's death and Pein first said what Akatsuki's goals were. They said that once Akatsuki's goals were achieved then the organization would assist the members in achieving their own goals.

Yeah so four out of then "ten' members know/knew the organization's true purpose. I think that Itachi knows alot more than he lets on however.

@ Assasin: That was mentioned in the beginning of this arc when Jiraiya said that he was the one responsible for Naruto being able to now go four tails, he also switched ownership of the key from himself to Naruto in the beginning of the arc.

[joker-kun]

I also found it cool how Jiraiya named his book this chapter ("The Tale of Uzumaki Naruto"). I am guessing this once agin complies with the frog's prophecy of "Jiraiya writing a book". Obviously he has written many, but I think it was more of a metaphore for "writing" Naruto's life, and Jiraiya said at the end of 382 that Naruto is for sure the chosen one. Guess Naruto was more important than we thought. Even Kakashi comparing him to his father (Minato) was quite a feat.

@Assertn: Oh yeah forgot about her, lol. Thanks.

I think that Itachi knows alot more than he lets on however.

Yeah I worded that above wrongly. I know they have their own agendas I meant to say what you just said. I think Itachi knows more than anyone thinks and has his own plans in regards to that.

[Assertn]

All the Akatsuki have their own agendas. That was well established when they were sealing the two tails after Asuma's death and Pein first said what Akatsuki's goals were. They said that once Akatsuki's goals were achieved then the organization would assist the members in achieving their own goals.

That's news to me. You always seem to find plot details that I've never caught in both the manga and anime (aka doesn't exist). Pein has no intention of assisting the akatsuki's personal agendas, and it's pretty clear that Madara and Pein are using everyone else for their own plans...especially considering that Pein would lie to the other members when he explained their purpose to Hidan.

[Abdula]

I think Jiraiya's title was not only predictable but also really cheesy.

@ Assertn: It really annoys me when you guys constantly assume that I'm just making stuff up. It took me awhile to find but here it is:




If that isn't enough for you then refer to chapter 329 pgs 10 & 11. Whether Pein and Madara are just exploiting the other members and whether he was lying or not doesn't change the fact that it was said.

Although it appears that Pein may have another goal other than the one he told the Akatsuki members about, I think what he said then may be his own personal goal. Destroying the other villages and essentially "the world" using the Bijuu fits not only with what Pein told Jiraiya about his ambitions but with the prophecy as well.

[Assertn]

Ah, I thought you meant it was stated in his real object that he revealed to Jiraiya. In that case, I'd have to refer back to my previous post:

Pein has no intention of assisting the akatsuki's personal agendas, and it's pretty clear that Madara and Pein are using everyone else for their own plans...especially considering that Pein would lie to the other members when he explained their purpose to Hidan.

We already know that Pein was lying to them about the main objective. What makes you think he was telling the truth about that?

[Abdula]

Like I said I don't think he was lying about his objective. I think what he said then is the truth. He may not have revealed his true or ultimate objective to Akatsuki but what he said then could simply be one part of it. Like I said if he does acquire and use the bijuu then that could also go along with his other goals and it would only be one way in which he could make the prophecy come true in that someone releasing all the Bijuu could in fact completely change or destroy the world.

Even though he may be working on achieving Madara's goal doesn't mean that he still doesn't intend to achieve his own goals or what he told the other members his goal was. It also doesn't mean that he won't help them achieve their own goals. Madara only seems to be interested in the sharingan and the kyuubi if that is the case then Pein would have the other 8 bijuu to use for his own purposes. Also Pein's goals and Madara's goals could be achieved together or one goal could enable the other to be accomplished.

Anyway none of that matters since we have no idea what their true goals are and whether or not they can or will be achieved together. My point is even though he may have revealed other goals or that Akatsuki may have been created to serve another purpose that doesn't mean that the other goals he spoke of won't be accomplished. He could simply have multiple objectives or one objective would simply enable him to achieve another.

In the end they are all villains and none of them would be involved in Akatsuki if it wouldn't help them in achieving their individuals objectives whatever those may be. So there really isn't any reason to think that what he told Akatsuki isn't the truth, everything he said could be true or everything he has said could be false and he could have another completely unrelated objective, we just don't know.

[toonice714]

YO! I'm gonna take a huge shot in the dark on this one but I think zetsu/sandshrew might be the akatsuki mastermind. Zetsu so far has done nothing but hide around and watch fights and dispose of dead ninja right? What if while madara and the first hokage were fighting at the valley of the end zetsu happened to be present at that fight. The fight was concluded and after the first left, madara made some deal with zetsu to use his technique to recycle(i dunno his soul or somethin) madara to another corpse(obito....sorry). Then Madara assembles akatsuki. I think Pain might be a compilation of fallen recycled ninja that zetsu reanimated with a technique. Jiriya did say he fought all of pain's bodies before. maybe one of them had rin'nengan. huh? whaddya think? too farfetched? it came to me randomly so i started typing. i need food.....

[Abdula]

Actually its not all that farfetched and it could make alot of sense but if that were the case I think Zetsu would have had more control over Akatsuki but Zetsu being present back when the first fought Madara could explain how he is still alive and Zetsu could also explain how they all came into contact with eachother.

I don't think any of Jiraiya's previous opponents had the rinnegan because he would/should have noticed something like that. I mean if they were all actually opponents he had faced you would think that they would have used it against him. I think the rinnegan is Nagato but again Zetsu could explain how he collected all the bodies.

All in all a great theory.

[Rikudo]

What if Nagato turns out to be Tobi. What if Yahiko did died and Nagato used the Rinnegan to put him in suspended animation, along with the other Peins? What if Kakuzu's reason for collecting all those money was to help his blind younger sister get an operation...oops I got carried away.