Maybe this has been discussed in previous threads but perhaps the necklace of the 1st Hokage Naruto wears has something to do with the ability to control the bijuus? Maybe it's like a catalyst to some unique technique or something like that?
Maybe this has been discussed in previous threads but perhaps the necklace of the 1st Hokage Naruto wears has something to do with the ability to control the bijuus? Maybe it's like a catalyst to some unique technique or something like that?
Sort of disappointed with these 2 episodes. IMO, the characters wasted a lot of time staring at each other. I wasn't expecting Yamato to be a "created" being. I've always thought he was the First Hokage's descendant.
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That's actually a good point. They made it a point to point out the necklace when they were talking about him being able to reign in Naruto.Originally Posted by StillAlive
I don't get why people complain about this slowness.... I mean it's been around since the beginning of Naruto. It doesn't surprise me they stared at each other for this long. I much rather see them stare at each other for 30 minutes, exchanging little dialogue, than see 30 minutes of clone fighting.
This episode actually kept me off the edge of my seat because I was just waiting for when Naruto would go berserk and own everybody. I wonder what Sai's plans are though. The way he flew past Sakura like that...... A traitor????
Heh, I actually never thought about Hokages like that, how the stronger one becomes the next and so on. I thought it had to do with someone with a lot of knowledge and respect who can govern the people. It doesn't necessarily mean being stronger. Anyways, if it's whoever becomes stronger, then at the current rate Naruto is growing.... I wonder if he'll ever become Hokage... *sigh*...
Possibly the single longest post in naruto history, let me know.
If I made any mistakes too bad because I can’t be bothered to edit.
@KraZ33: Its not my fault if the creator makes his character do something completely uncharacteristic.
Yes the nine tail thing is annoying. Naruto isn't growing or developing or learning any new techniques all he is doing is relying on the Kyuubi and its absolutely ridiculous. Now that his reliance on the kyuubi is becoming a problem they introduce this new control bijuu ability so that his reliance on the kyuubi will become a non factor or less of a factor atleast.
Give me one example of a ninja in Naruto who has two separate and completely unrelated abilities.
You can't just simply say that without question the hokage is the most powerful ninja in the village. Are you an idiot? where did you ever get the idea that the hokages only become hokages when they surpass the previous one. The first and the second I could give you because we don't know the circumstances but the rest is absolute bull. To become the hokage you don't have to surpass the previous ones, the hokage is chosen based on the person who is best fit for the position, its not simply who is the strongest ninja. Before I go on why is it so hard for you guys to understand that strength doesn't mean strength in Naruto, for the last time its not DBZ or Bleach there is no ranking of strength.
Are you trying to say that the third became hokage when he was a little boy because of some stupid flashback you saw of talking to the first and the second and them telling him that they are going to prepare him to be the next hokage. So you think he became the hokage right then and there, yeah I twelve year old boy leading the strongest village in the Naruto world. Not only is that bad enough but you also have to go and say that the third had surpassed the previous two hokages at that point. I don't know where you got this stupid idea that to be hokage you have to surpass the previous one. Surpassing a ninja in naruto isn't even possible unless they were/are using similar techniques are style that would give you something to compare between the two of them, like if they both used the sharingan for example. Even then it would be impossible to prove because the argument could always be made that one could have between the other if not for some extenuating circumstance.
Another stupid thing here is that you think that the third was the strongest hokage. There is no way to prove that , they said that they regarded the third as the strongest because of his knowledge, we have no idea how he would have fared against the other hokages especially if the others used completely different or unique abilities, or if they simply had a superior fighting style. The other thing here is that you are trying to suggest that the third became hokage when he was but a boy but the fourth was supposed to have been the youngest hokage so when did he become hokage when he was 9.
No one says that one hokage has to be stronger than the other just to become hokage, there are other things that influence the position besides strength. Such as youth, experince, skill, leadership ability etc. By your logic naruto should be hokage soon simply because with the kyuubi anyone could make the argument that he is the strongest ninja in the village even though he lacks skill, experience, leadership ability and a host of other thing necessary for a hokage. The kage doesn't even have to be the strongest ninja in the village because look at the instance with Sasori for example if he indeed defeat the third kakekage won't that immediately have proven the he is/was the strongest ninja in the village. If so then he should have been hokage or maybe they really should have made Oro the hokage.
How could you think that the second had to surpass the first and the third the second and so one. So the third surpassed the second and became the hokage and then the fourth surpassed the third even though they say that the third was the strongest ever. You yourself think that the first must have been the strongest ever so how then could there have been 4 other hokages. Do you think that Tsunade is stronger than the fourth, the person who defeated and sealed the Kyuubi. Do you think she is stronger than the third, do you think that she is stronger than her grandfather was.
Not to mention that the sole reason you think that the first was the strongest is because he could control Bijuu. So what I have a jutsu or an ability that allows me to control monsters so automatically that makes me the strongest, whether I have any fighting ability or not. I suppose if shikamaru or kiba learned some hypnosis jutsu or some other crap that allowed them to control bijuu you would think that they are the strongest. Can you understand that having an ability that allows you to do something special doesn't not directly correlate to strenght. If Shikamaru shadow jutsu could control bijuu would he be the strongest or if Ino mind control jutsu could control bijuu would she be the stongest.
I could go on forever about the crap you have said since I've been here but I will only mention one other thing. You say that the fourth had surpassed the third so he became hokage and then when he died the third became hokage again because he was the strongest ninja in the village. So sixteen years ago when the third was 53 years old he was the strongest ninja in the village, not possibly danzou, or the sannin, or one of the uchihas or hyuugas or some completely unknown ninja but a 53 year old man was the world strongest ninja.
I say the world strong ninja because, in Naruto the also said that the leaf village was the strongest village so that without question must also be true and since the hokage must also be the strongest ninja in the village therefore the hokage is the strongest ninja in the world. So back then a 53 year old man was the strongest ninja in the world and right now Tsunade who by the way is also 53 now is the strongest ninja in the world.
Now I only did this to show that you people who try to tell me about how my logic is flawed and how I only look at one possible side of things thus making me not only stupid but close-minded yet this dude gets away with posting his bull.
On a related note Naruto(the character) fans are some of the dumbest people I have ever met. Now for the dumb ones, I'm not saying that all naruto fans are dumb, I'm just saying that some of the dumbest people I have ever encountered are Naruto fans. I guess they identify with him.
To all you idiots who neg rep me every time I post in this thread and don't even leave a name or a comment for that matter now you have plenty of reason to. To the other nameless idiot who is trying his best to stop me from posting in this thread by neg repping me on almost every post to keep me in line and to give me his opinion on everything I post, why don't you just post something atleast then we could all get to talk about it.
Its interesting that all of my neg reps but the one idiot who neg repped me twice for liking zelda have come in the naruto anime threads.
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Let's see. Naruto can make shadow clones, summon frogs, and use Rasengan, and use the Demon Fox Cloak. None of those powers rely on the others to function.
Sasuke has various fire justu and the sharingan.
Jirayia can summon frogs, use Rasengan, can use sealing techniques, cover himself in quills.
Kakashi can summon dogs, use chidori, copy moves, attack with earth, fire, and water element jutsus, knows sealing techniques.
The Third has shown earth and fire jutsu, monkey summoning, shadow clones.
Tsunade knows medical techniques, super strength, and slug summoning.
Orochimaru can summon snakes, extend various body parts, regenerate body parts, use sealing techniques, raise the dead, conjure up swords, and many, many other powers.
I think I've more than made my point.
Since you can't even seem to be bothered to WATCH this program before commenting on it, I'm not going to bother to read past this sentence since you're already wrong. I can aboslutely say that because its said in the VERY FIRST EPISODE of Naruto when they're telling you WHAT THE HOKAGE IS.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sat, 12-22-2007 at 05:17 PM.
man, i don't know why you guys are complaining. i thought this was an awesome episode. and i actually didn't mind the pacing. true, the episode would've more thrilling if the pacing was faster, but i liked that the episode was slow enough to let you react to and digest all the stuff that happened, like yamato's background and the naruto drowning scene. it didn't feel too drawn out to me. in fact, it was just slow enough.
this thread is longer and more drawn out than the ep.
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Lol Abdula I make an effort to read all your posts but can't you at least try not to repeat yourself so much? You made your point demonstrating that DarthEnder's logic was flawed in like 3-4 paragraphs and then just tacked on 2-3 more that didn't really add anything other than "omg you fail extra hard for thinking that".
@Darth Ender: Neji can release chakra from any of his chakra points thanks to training in the Gentle Fist style, as well as use the Byakugan. However neither that nor any of the things you mentioned are examples of a character having multiple natural abilities which I think is what Abdula meant.
So far we haven't seen or heard of anyone who has two different abilities that are intrinsic to their DNA other than the First. However there is no reason I can think of why a person shouldn't be able to have two. Since we don't know for sure one way or the other there's nothing wrong with the theory that maybe the Wood element and the bijuu control are related to each other, but there is no evidence to either support or disprove it. Because of that there are no grounds to either defend it or try to convince others it's the right theory. Lack of another example is certainly not an effective defense. Garaa was the only thing that disproved the theory that Naruto was the only person to ever have a demon sealed inside them and until Shippuuden.
And as to the whole Hokage strength thing, when they said that back in episode one I don't think they meant strongest in terms of the "this ninja could absolutely kick the ass out of every single ninja in the village in a fight" sense. It was probably more along the lines of this ninja could hold their own if not dominate any enemy of the village, and the people of the village respect them and recognize their abilities, and they have enough leadership ability to lead the village, and they have enough statesmanship ability to kowtow with the heads of other villages and keep things smooth between them, and they hold the village and its ideals above all else and so on. Oro might have been a more deadly fighter than the Fourth back when he was passed over for Hokage, but if the Hokage was chosen based on just strength of combat prowess you could end up with a psycho Hokage who would be horrible as a leader but could kill anyone who disagreed with him.
Last edited by Yukimura; Sat, 12-22-2007 at 07:54 PM.
which is exactly why Oro didn't become the title Hokage and left the village.
The Hokage is the most powerfull AND for their ideals, the most usefull, ninja in the village.
this is why tsnuade did become the 5th...
she is a Sanin (S-class i believe?) and has "legendary status" and is also trained in healing etc. so she can take care of her people and protect them.
ah and the title is usally given from the former Hokage.
so the first and second (i m pretty sure they were hokage at the same time even though only one was active) gave the title to the third, the third to the fourth -> fourth died so the third came again -> third died -> high ranked inhabitants and people of konoha have choosen tsunade
that sums it up i think
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 12-23-2007 at 09:14 AM.
Dunno if any of you clowns mentioned it yet, but the anime also pointed out that the 1st had superhuman strength, much like that of his granddaughter Tsunade.
Clearly, the 1st was more than just a one trick pony
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While I want to believe that's the case, and certainly, there's obviously politics involved becoming Hokage, but the main thing I think disproves that is this...
When the 3rd died, they wanted to make Jirayia Hokage. Everything about Jirayia point to him being essentially a clown. People respect him for his power, but the way he conducts himself and the choices he makes make it seem like he'd be a terrible leader, and wouldn't want to anyway. And on top of all that, he hadn't been in the village for years.
But despite this, they wanted him to become hokage. Why? Because he was by far the strongest person in the village at the time. That's why when he suggested finding Tsunade, the advisers seem almost relieved. Most likely because she's similar in power to Jirayia, but obviously far more qualified for the politics and leadership involved in the position.
It also seems like all the Kage's are chosen the same way. Because there's no way Gaara would be Kazekage if he wasn't the most powerful ninja in the Sand village. He's only like 16, and was batshit insane up until a couple years ago, and yet the sand village gives him the position of Kage.
It's certainly not the best system, but it strikes me as a system established in the very beginning of the ninja villages thats done the same way today because of tradition.
which makes me wonder why tsunade cannot use wood-element-jutsus... isn't this a DNA-thingy like this bloodline stuff with haku or the uchia clan?
because if it isn't, why did oro try to mix the first's DNA with other people?
ah but superhuman strength is something every ninja with good chakra control can learn.. so its not a trick like creating life with chakra or the iron-sand jutsu from the third kazekage.
Actually its not a blood line its simply a unique ability that he had. A blood line is a technique that can be passed on to your descendants which is where the term blood line comes in. Its hereditary and can be passed on to anyone in your lineage.
@ DarthEnder: Its really sad that you watch the show yet you understand nothing. The sand village elders said that they made Gaara the kazekage solely because that allowed them to monitor him and control and limit his activities.
Like I said before other things affect the position of hakage such as the availability of ninja or their willingness to become hokage. Despite what you think of Jiraiya and the guise he operates under we've seen that he is a very capable ninja and has excellent leadership abilities, all the sannin do because they all lead ninjas or squads before they left the village. Don't forget that Jiraiya is the one who trained and taught the fourth hokage in the first place so despite his appearance, you shouldn't underestimate him. Anyway to my point they asked Jiraiya to be the hokage because at that point there was no one else in the village they felt could adequately fill the position.
If Tsunade was there I'm sure they would have asked her instead of Jiraiya that doesn't mean that she is stronger than Jiraiya. Two, the hokage doesn't have to be the strongest ninja in the village simply because that ninja such as in Oro's case could be deemed unfit to fill the position or in Jiraiya's case is not willing to accept the position because as we've seen with Tsunade being Hokage although it gives you some power it severely limits your activities and what you can and can't do. For example because Tsunade is hokage she has to remain in the village at all times except for a few special situations and she can't or atleast she shouldn't engage in activities like drinking and gambling.
As it was mentioned above the previous hokages usually choose who the next hokage will be not solely because of their strength but because of who they feel will be best fit for the position and who will guide the leaf in the direction they want it to go. Like when the first and second decided Sarutobi would be the third hokage, he certainly wasn't the strongest ninja then but they saw qualities in him that they admired and felt would allow him to become a great hokage, much like Tsunade presently sees Naruto.
@ Yukimura as I've said before I try to reiterate myself as much as possible in my posts just for those people who have difficulty understanding me. Yet no matter how many times I repeat myself or rephrase my statements some people still don't understand.
I love you guys, my big unhappy, dysfunctional Naruto family.
Typing that felt disgusting.
Last edited by Abdula; Sun, 12-23-2007 at 10:54 AM.
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This Hokage hosh bosh is just another trivial fact of the Narutoverse.
There have not been any set laws which tell who will become the leader and under what capacity. Hell, if Naruto does become Hokage, then it is simply because of the fact that he is extremely powerful and follows his guts, otherwise Neji or Shikamaru seem to be a much better choice.
When the 4th become Hokage, it was most likely because he was indeed the strongest in the village. He certainly did not have the amount of experience of leadership as Jiraya, Tsunade, or the 3rd. Also, Konoha seemed to be in the midst of or just came out of "The 3rd Secret World War." By putting the 4th as the leader, other countries would feel intimidated approaching Konoha.
Abdula was indeed correct by saying "they made Gaara the kazekage solely because that allowed them to monitor him and control and limit his activities." However, it would be more logical to make Gaara Kazekage because he is the most badass ninja in the village, which would make other countries have second thoughts on invading. The Sand was already weakened by loosing their former Kazekage (Gaara's father) and sending troops for the Konoha invasion (the sand trio's teacher said this somewhere), and putting Gaara as the head would allow the Sand to be protected while monitoring their most dangerous asset.
In essence, any bloke who is super powerful and has his/her heart in the right place can be come the kage of the village. At least for Konoha, Tsunade put it the best by saying "No matter what what crisis may befall on the village, the duty of protecting and raising the little leaves falls on me." (chap 238, pg 13)
Actually I think that the hokage having to choose his replacement or who he wants to be the next hokage was mentioned early on in the series. I think it was when Sarutobi was fighting Orochimaru.
Another reason the fourth could have been chosen instead of those guys is because the kage have traditionally been young ninjas. Well not necessarily young ninjas but ninjas in their prime or at their peak. I think the other option for hokage at that point was Oro and although he didn't become hokage for other reasons, I think longevity at that position could have been another reason.
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Except when the die unexpectedly, which seems to happen often?
Except Tsunade?
Yes it does seem to happen often. Well I think everyone can agree that Tsuande was a special case not the mention the fact that she is the only woman kage or leader we have ever seen in the Naruto world.
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I think all the hokages have been special cases given there have been 5 of them, a norm hasn't really been established yet.
Often...wtf is 'often'? There have only been five Hokage's and we've seen only one actual transition (Sarutobi -> Tsunade). We've heard second hand accounts about two (Sarutobi -> Fourth & Fourth -> Sarutobi) and we've seen one hinted at (Second & First? -> Sarutobi). Assuming there was a concrete First -> Second transition the Hokage title has changed hands a total of 5 times. And only twice due to the death of the previous Hokage.
There's not really much to go on in terms of extracting a reliable trend for what happens 'often'. Technically it's more common for a Hokage to step down than to die in office, however with so few data points it's not a statistically significant trend at all.
Something that occurs to me though is that all the Hokage so far have been part of a master-disciple chain that connects them back to the First and Second. In order to maintain that trend the only people currently eligible to be Hokage in the event of Tsunade's death would be Kakashi, Shizune, Naruto, Sakura, (and technically Sasuke and maybe Kabuto).
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