Thanks for the math lesson but it was entirely unnecessary. It could simply be his DNA gave Yamato the Mokuton and Mokuton gives him the ability to "control" Bijuu. Thus B=C, and usually the simplest explanation is the best.
Thanks for the math lesson but it was entirely unnecessary. It could simply be his DNA gave Yamato the Mokuton and Mokuton gives him the ability to "control" Bijuu. Thus B=C, and usually the simplest explanation is the best.
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Everyone else seems to disagree here Abdula, when everyone disagrees with you then you should think about your position a little rather than assuming you are right and pushing right ahead.
Also, wood element techniques, like you stated before, are a result of his ability to create life out of chakra. Wood element techniques do not give him the ability to create life out of chakra. Follow this train of thought concerning the ability to control Bijuu for me.
Ah ha, now you are speculating like the rest of us, and not stating "FACT" there we go.Originally Posted by Abdula
Edit: oh ya, I'm not commenting about the episode because I was late to the party, everything has been said already. Thus the only reason to reply here is to be involved in the conversation, just because you make your self the focal point doesn't mean that I'm picking on you.
The wood element IS the ability to create life from chakra and simply because everyone disagrees with me doesn't mean either than I'm wrong or that I should change my position. If I'm right then changing my position would be foolish and if I'm wrong then I will accept that I am wrong and atleast then I would be able to say that I didn't conform. I know that the wood element is his ability to create life from chakra because this isn't the first time we have seen it. That was mentioned back when Oro used his forbidden technique to summon the first.
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Abdula you have asserted that you don't think people can have more than one 'special' ability.
You state it is 'obviously' the case that the First's ability to use wood elements must be related to his ability to "make pet's of tailed beasts" but with no evidence to explain how the pet making works there's no compelling reason to assume that the abilities have anything to do with each other, other then the fact that the same person had both abilities.
Your theory is weak to the idea that being able to create life doesn't seem like it would have any overlap with controlling mystical demons. It remains to be seen whether or not there is some mechanism that is shared by both abilities and I don't fault you for believing one exists. But coming to that conclusion requires there to be a missing link between two seemingly unrelated things instead of each thing being separate but a part of the whole of the First's natural abilities. That you so fiercely try to defend your point without any reasonable support reeks of either faulty deductive abilities or foreknowledge of an as yet unrevealed link between creating life and subjugating mystical creatures that makes your theory more reasonable.
Last edited by Yukimura; Fri, 12-21-2007 at 06:13 PM.
This is a lost cause, but I doubt Yamato will make a big tree that forces the Kyuubi to do his bidding when you said clearly wood techniques will allow him to control the Bujii. The only thing that is clear here is that the two abilities could be related.
Additionally Occam's Razor is being abused in this thread, everyone should know what it really means.
Its neither. Its purely because the mokuton was already introduced as the unique ability the first had. The mokuton was also described as his ability to create life from chakra. Although this new ability to control Bijuu is new, the term Bijuu and all things related weren't even introduced back then. So its not improbable to think that if Kishimoto was inserting this new "control Bijuu" plot device that the mokuton would be the utensil.
"Jumping to a conclusion which requires there to be a link between two seemingly unrelated things and then trying to defend it with no support." I think they call that speculation which is what we do here, so no biggie.
-I think this is the most posts I have had on the forums within a 24H period. Which is nice since it was a slow week for me on gotwoot.
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Not the best, not the worst. I liked the staring contest, and how Kyuubi Naruto has the same eyes as Oro. And how it appeared that he was trying to get in Naruto's head and Kyuubi totally owned him out of there.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
I dunno how you could have enjoyed that staring contest, I mean it was interesting at first, but it dragged on and on. lol, to each his own.
I thought the scene with the Kyuubi looking at Oro then roaring and Oro going away was cool too. Really the episode was pretty entertaining, I just wish more had happened, but that is nothing new in Shippuuden.
I don't think he was actually going inside Naruto's head that scene was merely to symbolize that Orochimaru was no longer facing "Naruto" but facing the power of the Kyuubi. Personally I enjoyed the staring contest it certainly wasn't the first one we've seen in Naruto and I don't think it will be the last.
I want Orochimaru to be explained. How does his jutsu work, how and why does he use those weird jutsu. What is with him and Sai's pale skin if you look at them side by side they look like the might actually be related. I don't know if they are or if there similarities are intentional but they certainly resemble each other a lot. The things I think need to be explained the most are Mr snake skin, Mr shark skin and Mr venus fly trap and just how exactly the fourth's sealing technique and the seal in/on Naruto work.
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abdula
you want to tell me that deidara didn't taunt naruto? he did it all the time
he sat on gaaras dead body, he slapped his face, he showed the corpse several times etc. etc. just to make naruto follow him.
and tell me why are kabuto and oro smiling so strongly when naruto gets even more furious? and oro himself said that he wants to see if he has got stronger than naruto so he provokes him to see his full strength
and everytime his taunts show effects he says "interessting"
to the strength part:
Naruto was not stronger than Sasuke @ the valley... he was till sasuke released the seal and then they were equal. and btw when naruto gets furious he seems to get somehow more intelligent, so i m not only talking about physical strength
to the part with fighting stronger ninjas:
thats naruto for you! thats "his way of the ninja" or whatever he calls that... remember chuunin exam? sasuke saw that oro was much stronger and wanted to give him the scroll because if he dies he cant fulfull his dream of revenge. then naruto came and told him that he shouldn't give up
remember neji? he said the same... he says that a dropout can never defeat a genius so fighting is useless and you should give up
remember Kabuto vs Tsunade? he said to naruto "if you die here you cant fulfill your dreams so you should run away"
so naruto is the only one who fights obviously stronger ninjas and his friends do so too because they trust him and feel love towards him and all this soppy stuff..
and kabuto is *definitely* not someone who wants to die so easily if he knows that his chances are low i m pretty sure he wouldn't move a finger. So i think his attack was a test to see the strength of naruto...
ah and btw oro DID loose his arm, but someone he can recreate his body can be recreated in his body or something like that, i ve never seen this technique before so i don't know what it does exactly... but i m pretty sure that it use some good amount of chakra... like kabutos "renew" technique
btw i m not trying to flame you or anything =]
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 12-21-2007 at 06:49 PM.
I didn't say deidara didn't taunt Naruto I said he wasn't taunting him then. Naruto began transforming because all his efforts were for naught. I also said the if Oro was taunting Naruto whether Naruto responses to his jibes or not is his choice and responding to taunts or jibes from an opponent is not becoming of a ninja in my opinion but that is Naruto's bread and butter.
I don't know what you are talking about saying that Naruto is the only one who fights obviously stronger opponents. Kakashi was willing and ready to fight Oro when he appeared after kakashi had finished putting the seal on Sasuke even though he knew he would most likely die. The third also put his life on the line against Oro even though he knew that Oro was stronger than him because he had become weak because of his age. When Kakashi and the others went after Itachi and Kisame is another example. The leaf ninjas putting their lives on the line in every battle no matter what the cause is not because of Naruto's influence it is a result of the teachings and ideals of the village.
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Sapphire is awesome!
ignores all the stupid bickering
It should have been one normal episode. The pacing was a killer again. I can understand some long, fully drawn out scenes, but when it takes a ninja 2 full minutes to walk back onto a bridge... The staring contest was also somewhat tolerable, but could have had a better climax... Yamato's history, Sai's action (or lack thereof), Kabuto's attitude, Oro coming out from inside his outer body, and the visual effects used at the final forming of the 4th tail (not the heavy dark lines used on the bridge, but the skin peeling off and the blood making smoke in the forest) were the only things I enjoyed. The Kabuto investigation was cool too.
I don't think the 1st could make the Bijuu "his pets" in the literal sense. I think he could maybe control them a bit, especially by controlling the actual Bijuu by sealing its power and allowing the host to regain control... but I don't think he really controlled everything they did. I just don't.
DB's note about there being 247 lines of text in the entire special made me wonder.... just how many original lines did this episode actually have? When you consider how much talking was done in the flashback to the hospital scene (which was then added on), and on the few post-commercial break repetitions, and then Naruto's memory of his fight with Sasuke... Well, all together that was maybe 20+ lines of text there... (a cautiously low guess).
But the part about Kabuto's past, the preview, the stupid ending gag, and the keyword presentations contain another approximately 50 lines of text. That brings us down to somewhere in the 160-180 range of actual lines of text in a 40 minute episode.
Giving more leeway than the writers deserve (saying there was 180 original lines of text), that's just more than 4 lines per minute.
Silent films had more writing done for them than that...
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
hmmpf abdula
simply one thing
explain to me why a kabuto, who is one of the most intelligent ninjas i've seen in this series (remember tsnunade vs kabuto when his muscles and nerves were out of order)
attacks naruto straight forward after he saw what he did to Oro and became even stronger after that?
if it is not to test his strength what then?
and this makes clear why oro taunts naruto by mentioning sasuke all the time.
and and kabuto does care much about the ideals of the leaf village... thats why he fights naruto. *irony*
Acutally it looked to me like Kabuto was attempting a sneak attack on Naruto, which, would've worked on the normal Naruto. Secondly he wasn't that badly damaged, we've seen him take worse damage intentionally(rasengan). Lastly if a strong opponent turns their back on you, I couldn't imagine a better opportunity for a sneak attack.
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oh and thats why he said "pure chakra... he threw me all that way with chakra" and not "uh he got more skilled, he saw through my sneak attack" :P
no no this wasn't a sneak attack at all
sneak attacks in naruto-verse are normally made very fast with one swift movement and not with thundering, yet slow, footsteps
and yes we've seen him taking more dmg, that happened when he wasn't prepared to get hit... this time however he got hit even harder but took less dmg maybe he was PREPARED to get hit? maybeee?? maybeeee? xD
ah well lets just wait one week maybe we'll see more then and can have a new argument! ^^
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 12-21-2007 at 07:24 PM.
I personally think the 9-tail thing is annoying. it basically became an easy way to make a ridiculously powerful naruto in the future.
about this episode. animation was pretty good (no matter what ppl say), but it would have been much better as a 30 minutes ep.
Well, Naruto is too stupid to gain power through learning new abilities, so he needs that Deus Ex Machina to be able to progress through the series.Because no ninja in the Naruto world has 2 separate, unrelated powers right?
No, this is all wrong. The Hokage is the most powerful ninja in the village. The second became Hokage when he became stronger than the 1st, and the 3rd became Hokage when he became stronger than the 2nd...when he was like 12.
i always thought that both , the first and second, were hokage at the same time and built up Konoha together Oo
Actually I'm pretty sure this is completely false. Shodaime and Nidaime were in charge at the SAME time the second didn't just take over for the first they were co-founders of the leaf.
No, I think that's actually correct. Hence "2nd" Hokage. They aren't co-first Hokage's.
But what isn't the case is that the 1st is "ready to retire" or whatnot when the 2nd takes over. The 2nd simply surpassed him.
Case in point, the 4th. Surpassed the 3rd and became Hokage. And when he died,. they didn't pick a new hokage, because without the 4th, the 3rd was the most powerful again. Hence, he became Hokage once again.
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