I was thinking the same thing too, but realised that it's gotta be after the sealing..... It was good seeing Minato and Kushina though.Originally Posted by DayoftheDante
I was thinking the same thing too, but realised that it's gotta be after the sealing..... It was good seeing Minato and Kushina though.
"Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。
Amazing chapter. The past few have been great. And I know it's been mentioned already, but I definitely see Jiraiya being added to Pein's collection of bodies. It would just make the fight with Naruto all the more incredible.
Well, Pains character/fighting style is screaming of the good guys having to use teamwork to beat him. Which I guess will fit in with the overall theme of protecting your loved ones and then pulling together to fight etc etc.
One person beating him would actually be stupid.
I also see Naruto as the one to beat the most probably upcoming "Peiraya" (see what I did there?)
I dont think they gonna take jirayas body, if u look at the last 2 pages it looks as if they were walking away from his body when they thought he was dead. then when he revives u see pain turn around, then when he places his memory or w/e into the toad it looks like they jump at jiraya. I see where ya coming from also, since pain lost a body with ma takig a body to konoha pain is short a body and could use jirayas i guess, i rather hope this isn't the case and they do leave his body like it seemed in the last two pages.
I actually like that idea and think it will be the case. Team 7 and others vs Pein.
About Pein taking Jiraiya's body, I would hate it if he was able to. I mean it looks like Jirayia left all the other shinobi alive and never killed them, so it would make sense that they can't take over his body unless he was alive somehow.
And is everyone forgetting, but could "THAT JUITSU" be Hermit mode? Or was that just something incredible that only Jiraiya was able to perform?
There is absolutely no way "that jutsu" would be hermit mode. That is obviously something only Jiraiya can do and not only does it not fit Naruto's style but he already has the Kyuubi so he doesn't need it.
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Does anyone have any idea who Pein is?
And if Pein is that strong, I can't imagine how strong the Uchiha giving him orders is.
I'd seriously LOL if Naruto ever went hermit mode...
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Man this fight would have been much easier if Jiraiya just summoned Gama Bunta and kicked the asses of all the other summons. I don't think this fight showed him fighting to the potential he had been made out to have.
I would imagine that the Uchiha giving orders to Pein probably is Madara now. I mean, Pein's ability is unbelievable and he managed to beat a fighter probably no one in the ninja world wanted to mess with without any problems. The only Uchiha who could be giving him orders now has to be Madara. His skills are legendary, and if it was someone else from the clan we would have found out who by now, or at least had clues.
I think it's sad that Kishi seemed forget about combat summoning in part 2. Back in Part 1 people were summoning left right and center and it generally made fights more interesting . But before Pein we hadn't really seen anyone use a summon for anything other tracking or transportation since Part 1. Naruto seems to have forgotten he knows the summoning jutsu since learning the Rasengan but maybe when Pa comes to tell him that Jirayia is gone he'll take up the mantle of being the Frog/Toad summoning guy (Unlikely I know, but one can hope).
I never viewed summoning as really a combat thing. Remember Jiraiya told Naruto that it was really more of something to use when you're desperate and that for the most part is the way it has been used. Naruto only used it against Gaara because he was desperate and at the time he didn't have any other high level techniques aka Rasengan. Orochimaru or I should say Kabuto only used summoning because Oro couldn't use most of his techniques because his arms were sealed. Jiraiya also couldn't use his techniques because of what Tsunade did and Tsunade only used her's because the two of them were using their's. Tsunade didn't even use her's much she only used it to preoccupy Manda so she could attack herself.
The only other attack type summonings we saw in the first half of the series were Kidomaru and Tayuya and I trust I don't have to explain those. Sasuke used Manda as a desperation move so he could escape Deidara's explosion. Jiraiya summoning Gamabunta against Pein wouldn't really have worked because I don't think Jiraiya wanted to have a battle on such a large scale and since Pein seemed to be the master of summoning I'm sure he would've had some massive combat type summon he could use in that situation.
The main reasons people don't use summons are because they usually change the scale of the battle and I don't think most ninjas would be able or would want to have a large scale battle. Secondly summoning is supposed to use up a massive amount of chakra and the amount is supposed to be proportionate to the size or number of the summon. Remember when Naruto first summoned Gamabunta he had to use the Kyuubi's chakra just to do it and I'm assuming it used up most of the chakra he was capable of at the time. So again most ninjas won't use high level summons are summoning at all if they have sufficient high level techniques that they could use without having to waste chakra on summoning.
Jiraiya didn't use Gamabunta and again I'm just assuming because he obviously felt that if it just came down to a battle of summons Pein would win. He said that the only way he would be able to beat Pein was if he got him one on one and two because he was conserving his chakra to use hermit mode because using and sustaining it obviously requires a large amount of chakra.
Frankly I'm glad Naruto doesn't use summons it doesn't fit his charge at everyone fighting style whether that style is good or not summoning doesn't fit it and because if he used the summoning that much then I won't be able to give him credit for any of the battles he has had.
I don't think much people use or know summoning techniques because someone would have had to come into contact with the creatures before and then they would have to sign a contract and then the scroll would have to be passed on etc. I always viewed the summoning as something that should be unique to Sarutobi, The Sannin and the people they have taught and for the most part it has been. Sasuke, Suigetsu and the Sound ninja were Oro, Naruto and the fourth were Jiraiya. I don't think Tsunade has thought anyone yet and the only other examples I can remember are Pein and Hanzo.
Last edited by Abdula; Mon, 12-17-2007 at 12:49 PM.
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Jesus Abdula, you could've just said "summoning isn't a combat thing, it wastes too much chakra, and Pein is better at summons."
YOUR BLOCKS OF TEXT BURN MY EYES. x_x
If he said that then his point would have been vulnerable to the fact that we've seen summoning used for combat a lot more than we've seen it used for anything else (tracking and reconnaissance being the only other uses I can recall).
By writing that giant brick of text he creates a point that can be disagreed with but can't really be called 'wrong' since it's an expression of personal interpretations instead of a simple declaration of 'facts'. If anyone deigns to disagree he can point to the instances where he uses the word 'assumption' so that he can't be called wrong.
Personal favorite line:
I've noticed explanations seem to be 'obvious' to Abdula if there is any reasonable evidence that they are correct. And since these explanations are 'obvious' any 'assumption' made that would assert those explanations are not the correct explanations for the events which they explain must be illogical and therefore foolish.Jiraiya didn't use Gamabunta and again I'm just assuming because he obviously felt that if it just came down to a battle of summons Pein would win.
Last edited by Yukimura; Wed, 12-19-2007 at 12:59 PM.
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Does anybody have any idea why this scene seems so familiar to me?
Last edited by Abdula; Wed, 12-19-2007 at 03:14 PM.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I wish Naruto actually summoned once in a while, but aside from that, I hated the combat utilization of summons in the series. The Naruto vs Gaara battle felt like I was watching Power Rangers.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Lol, a power rangers reference.
Anyway, In my opinion summoning takes alot away from being a ninja. If you have enough chakra to do it constantly then all you would need to do was learn some powerful summons and you could in essence be invincible. It requires no skill or talent all you need is to sign a contract, learn a few seals and once you have the chakra you can use it whenever you wish. If Naruto used or knew a lot of summons he could become invincible because he has so much chakra he wouldn't need to stop using it.
Personally I don't like summons because its opens the door for ninjas to simply summon creatures and then have the summons fight their battles for them, like what Gaara tried to do. I'm glad they haven't been used that way thus far and with Jiraiya and Oro being dead now I don't think we'll see many more of them.
Last edited by Abdula; Wed, 12-19-2007 at 05:20 PM.
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because it is similar to Sasori's death scene with the mom and dad puppets holding the long knives through his "heart."Does anybody have any idea why this scene seems so familiar to me?
Thanks but no that is not it. I've seen this exact scene with a character lying prone with five black blades sticking out of him and five people standing around him in black cloaks somewhere else. Thanks anyway.
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maybe when Zabuza got stabbed in the back by the thugs on the bridge when he was about to die?
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