Naruto Chapter 381

[Abdula]

Meh either way this opens the door for Naruto. He's finally becoming a a talented ninja not to mention this whole new "key thing" and now his master is dead. Don't know how long it will take, but Naruto will fuck up Pain eventually.

I have to disagree with that entire statement.

[Death BOO Z]

didn't one of the frogs spit out a "Jiraya" body? I thought it was one of Payne's bodies, but it looks like Jiraya...
anyway, J-man is a goner, I hope that he'll tell us what's the deal with Payne already, it's getting old with all these non-dying akatsukis..

[Abdula]

That was Jiraiya apparently he was hiding inside the mouth of a toad similar to when he first entered the village only this one was swimming underwater.

What non-dying Akatsuki, Jiraiya's barrier actually managed to kill one or so it would seem.

[Assertn]

if confronting all these figures from his past was part of the prophecy, then there must still be something Jiraiya can accomplish to affect Pain in some way, even if it still results in Jiraiya's death.

[Abdula]

Not necessarily, his eventual death could just be the next part of the prophecy because it looks rather hopeless at this point.

[Idealistic]

Nooooooooooooooo!!!! Jiraiya!!! Damn it, I don't want him to die.

I hope next chapter we learn how those people Jiraiya have met have become a part of Nagato or whatever. Rin'e'gan's abilities are so wierd.

[Rikudo]

Next time Naruto meet Jiraiya. Jiraiya will be part of Pain.

"Long time lurker, first time poster"

[Abdula]

"Rikudo" It certainly didn't take long did it. I highly doubt Jiraiya will become one of Peins bodies. We still don't know whether the people he uses were alive or not and I doubt he would use Jiraiya, that would depend on how his jutsu works. The main reason I doubt it is because that would really be a disgrace to Jiraiya's character and what he stood for. That being said anything is possible but that would just be a slap in the face of Konoha and I don't think Pein is really that sadistic Kakuzu, Sasori and Orochimaru are the only people I think would do something like that and they are all dead.

[dimitris127]

if jiraiya becomes one of pein's body then he will be able to give naruto a 4-5 chapter beating before naruto makes up his mind and kills every and each one of him but that is far away...i want to see what power has sasuke gained and he is so sure about himself

[Death BOO Z]

Sasuke's confindense has nothing to do with power he might have aqurried. he just hasn't been beaten up enough by his parents as a child, so he doesn't know his place.

domestic abuse jokes aside, Sasuke had a confidense break down only once, before the 'sasuke in a box' arc began (after getting saved by kakashi and takin' a beatin' from the sound quatro). every other fight, including when he met Itachi previously, he had the same annoying smirk on damn face

[Rikudo]

Didn't Sasuke have a confidence breakdown when he first encounter Orochimaru during the chuunin exam?

[joker-kun]

"Rikudo" It certainly didn't take long did it. I highly doubt Jiraiya will become one of Peins bodies. We still don't know whether the people he uses were alive or not and I doubt he would use Jiraiya, that would depend on how his jutsu works. The main reason I doubt it is because that would really be a disgrace to Jiraiya's character and what he stood for. That being said anything is possible but that would just be a slap in the face of Konoha and I don't think Pein is really that sadistic Kakuzu, Sasori and Orochimaru are the only people I think would do something like that and they are all dead.

Yes cause clearly he's not sadistic enough to do it to his own best friend when he was a child. Why would he do it to his sensei... I don't think it will happen either, but that's just poor reasoning.

And as for you disagreement with my comment; I forgot how ludacris it is that the main character of the show (whom the show is named after) will actually do something by the end of the series.

[Abdula]

We don't know the circumstances of Pein acquiring Yahiko's body, there is a possibility that it could still be Yahiko so there is absolutely nothing wrong with my reasoning.

And as far my disagreeing with your other statement there is a reason. Simply this unless Pein comes after Naruto, there isn't really going to be any confrontation between them and there really is no reason to say that Naruto will be the one to defeat Pein, it is a possibility but it might not happen. The reason I say this is because we still have no idea if Pein is going to turn out to be the main villain of the show, it could still be someone else at this point and him being the main villain doesn't mean Naruto is going to be the one to defeat him.

The main villain throughout the first half of the series was Oro and he ended up being defeated by Sasuke and to this point of all the Akatsuki members that have been defeated Naruto has only been responsible for one i.e. Kakuzu. So yeah it is possible that Naruto may be the one to defeat Pein but at this point, I don't see it happening and simply because Naruto is the main character doesn't mean he will be the one to defeat Pein.


Sasuke's confidence doesn't have anything to do with any power he has acquired. He has always been very confident as most ninjas are. I haven't really seen anything from Sasuke thus far that screams he will be able to defeat Itachi. Personally I think its way too soon for him to be attempting to do that, Itachi doesn't seem to be interested in fighting him anyway, this is just another test. I what to know what Itachi's motives are.

[joker-kun]

And as far my disagreeing with your other statement there is a reason. Simply this unless Pein comes after Naruto, there isn't really going to be any confrontation between them and there really is no reason to say that Naruto will be the one to defeat Pein, it is a possibility but it might not happen. The reason I say this is because we still have no idea if Pein is going to turn out to be the main villain of the show, it could still be someone else at this point and him being the main villain doesn't mean Naruto is going to be the one to defeat him.

The main villain throughout the first half of the series was Oro and he ended up being defeated by Sasuke and to this point of all the Akatsuki members that have been defeated Naruto has only been responsible for one i.e. Kakuzu. So yeah it is possible that Naruto may be the one to defeat Pein but at this point, I don't see it happening and simply because Naruto is the main character doesn't mean he will be the one to defeat Pein.

Naruto has the Kyuubi in him. I'm pretty sure that gives Pain reason enough to come after him. The reasoning I had for Naruto beating him is mainly because Naruto is now Jiraiya's student. Even more so than Nagato (whether Nagato is Pain or not). If Pain is Nagato (and even if he isn't) this gives Naruto reason enough to want to kill him. Pain being the real villain really doesn't matter. He could be a hobo in a garbage can; either way Naruto is going to be quite pissed that his master was killed (even if Naruto doesn't defeat him, he's still going to be angry.), so nothing was said about Pain being the main villain or not. It doesn't really matter if there's 50 main villains after him; Naruto will still want revenge even if he isn't the one who finally kills him. As for Naruto being responsible for only one killing; wouldn't that make it more of a reason that he's going to play a larger part as the series goes on? Or at least make that a possibility. The only reason I brought Naruto being the main character up is because you made it seem absurd that I would make such a speculation when there's many reason as to why this could happen.

In the end it's all speculation by everyone, so it really doesn't matter much whether you or I think it's going to happen, but I think you would foolish to believe there isn't a decent or reasonable chance of Naruto getting revenge for his master. Whether it happens or not is a different story.

[Abdula]

I have no idea why you would think that I don't think there is a chance of it happening because I was pretty clear that there is a high probability of it happening but that doesn't mean that it will. As for your point about the Kyuubi, I know he has the kyuubi in him and like I said there is no way he will even come into contact with Pein unless Pein comes after and even so that doesn't mean that he will be able to defeat Pein.

All I'm saying is that there is a chance that Naruto won't be the one to kill Pein and him being upset about Jiraiya's death, yeah so what? Fact is they have to wait for Pein to come to them. Whatever you don't seem to have understood what I said so it doesn't matter.

Btw, Naruto didn't kill Kakuzu, Kakashi did. Naruto only hit him with the rasengan which defeated him and left him helpless.

[joker-kun]

I have no idea why you would think that I don't think there is a chance of it happening because I was pretty clear that there is a high probability of it happening but that doesn't mean that it will. As for your point about the Kyuubi, I know he has the kyuubi in him and like I said there is no way he will even come into contact with Pein unless Pein comes after and even so that doesn't mean that he will be able to defeat Pein.

All I'm saying is that there is a chance that Naruto won't be the one to kill Pein and him being upset about Jiraiya's death, yeah so what? Fact is they have to wait for Pein to come to them. Whatever you don't seem to have understood what I said so it doesn't matter.

Btw, Naruto didn't kill Kakuzu, Kakashi did. Naruto only hit him with the rasengan which defeated him and left him helpless.

Now we're playing semantics? Sorry, Naruto was only responsible for one death. That's your own wording, so I don't see any disagreeing there.

My post was more or less explaining myself. Not so much you. I understand exacly what you're saying. Pretty much the simplified version would be:

There is a slim chance of Naruto even coming into contact with Pain. If and when he does there is no garuntee he will even be able or strong enough to kill him. Because of this there is a high possibility that someone else will kill him. Therefore; we cannot conducively say Naruto will kill Pain.

I both understand and agree with that. (Lets not get caught up in stipulations if there was a thing or two I missed.) I was simply explaining my reasoning behind why I think Naruto will be the one to do it. As I said above; it's all speculation anyway so obviously there's even more than a chance that Naruto won't be the one to do it. The only reason I quoted you in the first place was because you made it seem as if my deduction was outrageous.

I have to disagree with that entire statement.

Now I don't know if that was your intent, and it doesn't really matter. In all honesty I don't think it was, but I do think that perhaps you, and any one else deserved an explanation of what I meant in my first statement. Thus the reason I elaborated.

[Abdula]

No explanation was necessary. I understand what you meant and your reasoning behind your statement, I simply disagree with you that is all.

[Assertn]

The chance is more than slim of Naruto running into Pain...
Afterall, Tobi ordered Pain to hunt Naruto down.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I think that the most obvious question right now is, if Jiraya can't stop Pein, who of the good guys really can? I mean if Jiraya gets killed right now, who would be able to stop Pein from taking Naruto?

Wow that would be cool to see a bunch of the Konoha people fight Pein at once.

[Abdula]

I think that if Jiraiya does indeed die the safest thing to do would be for Tsunade to just keep Naruto in the village like the elders wanted her to do. It would be the safest place for Naruto and the only possible deterrent to Akatsuki. Not that him being in the village would stop them but it would give them more to think about.