Gundam 00 Episode 09

[Shinji Ikari]

This is the first good episode. Finally do we se glimps about who the characters are. Before this everything has been like a lecture of how the politics of the world works with no character in the center. Really crappy in that way compared to Seed and Destiny. Hope CB gets their asses kicked, they are just too arrogant.

[KrayZ33]

whats so special in this episode? i found it rather boring....
somehow i found episode 7 and ... uhm was it 3 or 4 (when he fought against that blonde?) much more entertaining..

i mean... i don't even understand the reason why they didn't equip anti-ship weapons... i mean come on, they didn't even try to fight the gundams so whats the reason for their anti-mobile equipment? and with their mothership destroyed it would have been much easier to capture the CB-suits since they can't hide in the orbit anymore and they would have lost their commanding and operation center..they would even have got a suit (well... they couldn't have known ) because Lockon can't move away from the ship and the explosion of the ship would have thrown him most likely into space.

and if their intention was to capture a suit, why didn't they overhelm one of the diversion (virtue or this airplane one,forgot the name...) instead of attacking the mothership (without the right equipment) were at least 2 Gundams are waiting + the diversion which are on their way back to the ship after they destroyed THEIR diversion... this is just nonesense.. or do i miss something?

or is the attack on the ship just the "real diversion" and they try to capture this air-plane-gundam?

[masamuneehs]

huh, Krazy brings up some tactical points that really do make you question Sergei's "brilliance". It's clear that he's trying to capture the Gundams... but you would think destroying the Ptolemaios would be part of that...

but, now that I think about it, you may be right when you say all we saw in this episode is Sergei's own diversion... holding back the Ptolemaios (no way that he knew they didn't have any serious firepower on the ship... in fact, you'd almost have to assume that a ship belonging to a group as technologically advanced as CB would fuck your day up...) while trying to capture the Virtue or Kyrios (the airplane looking one).

Either way, one thing is clear, and that's that Sergei is spreading his forces to engage all the Gundams at once. This seems absurdly risky. I understand that you need to keep the Gundams from ganging up on you, and his strategy certainly keeps them relatively isolated and avoids getting flanked by the Kyrios and Virtue...

You'd assume they'd leave the Exia (clearly an anti-mobile suit Gundam) and Kyrios (fast enough to probably escape no matter what) and go for the slow Virtue or the Dynames. Both of those units seem to be weaker in close combat. They're both hard to get at initially because of their incredible range, but once you swarm them...

[Buffalobiian]

When they have overwhelming suits like they have, Sergei decided to divide and conquer. If he focused all his troops onto one target, like Sumeragi thought he would, then she would surround him using a pincer manoeuvre(if he attacked the mothership), or she'd have the other gundams launch an attack at their exposed backs (if they attacked one of the gundams in front). Now that they've split up, Sergei can attack each gundam specifically using data they've collected from previous battles to pinpoit each gundam's weakness, while at the same time, they can perform a co-ordinated attack due to their numbers.

edit: hmm, didn't see massa's post for some reason. He summed it up better. Oh well.

[KrayZ33]

well but they didn't send mobile suits to virtue... just an empty transport-vessel

so they attacked the mothership with nearly everthing (except for these ~6 suits and that pink one). and they KNEW that it was their ship and they DON'T shoot at the gundam but on the heavily shielded ship. so this can only be a diversion but what is the point of not bringing any anti-ship weapons with them and do some serious damage. they intend to destroy that ship (the kamikaze-attack proves that) so...

i understand that part with diversion and they did good when they lured that fast gundam (i think its kyrios?) into the minefield and blocked him. but they could have done so much better i think.

and i m not sure of the effectivity of a minefield but why didn.t they surround kyrios and lay minefields on his escape route... this would also cut of reinforcements... + they do need 6 minutes to actually get there which should be plenty of time for so many units... i mean when they think they are able to capture kiryos with only 6 mobile suits, they also should be able to caputer him with even more suits who are protected by a minefield.

the only one who could intervene is Virtue but he can do that now too...

well i think next episode will answer some of my questions, i still like gundam very much so no problem :P

but i wish they would stop making these awfully made fighting sences where a gundam fires 3-4 beams into space which do obviously miss and the mobile suits around these beams do "dodge skillfully".... it looks so stupid it makes me vomit.

i m happy that the enemies are at least a little bit skilled and not like in seed or so where only the main characters and 2-3 other can pilot a gundam... the rest do control their suits like a 4 years old girl.

mobile suit 1: pew pew
mobile suit 2: pew pew
mobile suit 1: destoryed
mobile suit 2: pew pew

or even better

Gundam: pew pew *slice and dice*
mobile suit 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,.....20: *ahhhhhhh we are totally outmatched*

but in Gundam 00 it does at least LOOK like: skill > equipment and that's what makes this series worth watching and thats why i actually did like this episode a little bit :P (not very much but still worth watching!)

[shinta|hikari]

skill>equipment? I doubt that. Maybe if the gap in skill is way too large yes,but the equipment is by far the mostdecisive factor, and is technically CBs edge over everyone.

[KrayZ33]

well that's why i said "the enemies are at least a *bit* skilled"

in gundam seed destiny 10 or 20 dropships deploy their suits which are killed in nearly a second when kira or so went on a rampage and shot 10000 lasers out of 4-5 guns.

and in this episode it did at least look like the normal suits are actually able to do something and the gundams even do miss! (not only in this episode but in the ones before too) in all the other gundam - series every shot was a direct hit which destroyed their weapon or the whole suit.

they simply dont die the same way again and again... its actually funny to see that someone in the background does get shot and loose his right leg or arm while the others are spreading out to make it more difficult to get hit. i m fine with gundams being much more superior but not as much as it was before... there was actually no reason for a army because one could destroy like thousands of them in one second..

if they keep that up i m fine with it... but when they are ending up forming exia to a second kira i will stop watching gundam forever
i mean look at episode one.. i m sure Exia would have lost if Lockon didn't help him and there only ... hmm let me guess... 6 mobile suits?

as long as they work as a team they seem very strong but this proofs that one alone can't do much... and thats good

edit: the gundams do have weaknesses!

exia is very weak in range combat, while lockon is very immobile when he is sniping (haro is controlling the suit while he aims)

i dont know the weaknesses of virtue and kyrios but i think very is very slow (yet powerfull) and kyrios does not have any defense abilitys (but he is very fast)

but yeah you guys are right when the equipment is totally outmatched (like in the first 2 episodes where the suits couldn't even aim at the gundams because they were so freaking slow) even the most skilled fighter won't win... its just the same in every online game *lol*


edit2: hmmm maybe its just the good animation that got me this time... i didn't see a repeated scene yet (while they were fighting)... i hope this wont change so soon