Naruto Shippuden Episode 36-37

[Abdula]

A real world analogy doesn't fit this situation its an anime. What I was saying didn't make sense is that to this point the village doesn't seem to consider Sasuke a betrayer. They still have it as if he was kidnapped by Orochimaru and he wasn't. My point was what were they going to do if they had indeed brought Sasuke back because I know they weren't going to lock him up in a prison or anything, and if they had indeed stopped him from gaining the power that Oro would give him, he would have only ended up hating them.

So while I do understand why they didn't want him to go to Oro, if they indeed intended to stop him there were only two ways of doing it. Either to imprison him which won't have worked not only because he is strong but that would've only meant that Oro would've came back for him sooner or later or kill him which, since we are talking about ninjas is the most logical choice.

The leaf village doesn't view Sasuke as an enemy so they wouldn't have done either of those things so while sending a team to retrieve Sasuke may have been the right choice it definitely wasn't thought through enough, because the outcome would've been the same. Really if they didn't have enough ninjas in the village, so no high ranking ones could've been sent on the mission they would've been better off just leaving him alone because they nearly lost seven of their most promising genin instead of just one.

[RyougaZell]

Actually... the fact that Sasuke left on his own marks him as a Missing-Nin... which is branded like a traitor on this anime.
Don't know if he made the bingo book though.

[Kraco]

The real world analogy doesn't fit? Oh, well, I'm sorry but I grew up in the real world so I kind of tend to think in real world terms. Can't really help it, nor would I want it any other way.

I don't see you providing a better solution, because obviously just letting him go wasn't one. If it had been just Naruto and Sakura alone who wanted him back then it would have been a different story, but it seemed to be the official stance. And as such their options were limited: Maybe they would have tried to get him to stay back willingly by assigning him to different work, like ANBU, and granting him exclusive teaching (from Kakashi or anybody skilled enough). It might have been worth it to retain the Uchiha bloodline. If it hadn't worked, at least they would have tried. Or maybe they would have brain washed him with some special jutsu.

We already saw Itachi would be capable of beating any Konoha ninja. It would be foolish of Konoha to let similar potential to fall into Oro's hands without a fight. No matter if it goes against the free will of somebody.

[Assertn]

Sai clearly recognizes Sasuke as a missing-nin and a traitor. Plus he's part of roots, who, as it's been implied, seek to serve the bests interests of Konoha from beyond Konoha's narrow viewpoint.

Maybe Danzou wants Sai to kill Sasuke, to ensure the sharingan doesn't fall into evil hands?

[Abdula]

Wow, so yet another thing to add to the list. That is one seriously messed up childhood no wonder that guy is so messed up. I mean the only thing Sasuke had was that his older brother killed his entire clan and look how he turned out. I wonder what Kabuto is really like and what his motivations are, and what was up with his eyes turning red back when they were in the forest of death.

[DarthEnderX]

I hope Kabuto is the spy now just because I think Kabuto is awsome and he hasn't done anything since the 3 Sannin arc.

[Buffalobiian]

Well since he's in this arc's OP, I feel confident we'll see some Kabuto action later on, but seeing him fighting Yamato, it doesn't look like he'll be very cooperative. The first episode shows that they end up in Orochimaru's base, so maybe he does feel like spilling some info to them.

[Crash]

Kabuto would actually make a lot of sense. Orochimaru was Sasori's original partner and Kabuto is Oro's right hand man so it's very possible that Kabuto would have had some contact with Sasori. Perhaps Kabuto was hoping to get back into Akatsuki himself by helping Sasori.

[Abdula]

I don't think Kabuto has any aspirations beyond serving Orochimaru, he reveres him on the level of a deity.

[Buffalobiian]

Kabuto would actually make a lot of sense. Orochimaru was Sasori's original partner and Kabuto is Oro's right hand man so it's very possible that Kabuto would have had some contact with Sasori. Perhaps Kabuto was hoping to get back into Akatsuki himself by helping Sasori.

Ah, forgot about that. Now we actually have a reason as to why Sasori put a spy on Oro, other than him being an Akatsuki traitor.

I don't think Kabuto has any aspirations beyond serving Orochimaru, he reveres him on the level of a deity.

Don't forget, Sasori had a technique that locks the spy's memories, making them indeed very loyal to their master, only for their memories to unlock, and their loyalty to return to their true master. That's how they tricked the Sand. Up to this point, Kabuto may have well been loyal to Oro, though at one point in the Chuunin exam arc, he did seem a bit fishy.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think Kabuto has any aspirations beyond serving Orochimaru, he reveres him on the level of a deity.

What? Were you not watching the conversations between them during the chuunin exam?

Kabuto doesn't even LIKE Orochimaru.

[Assertn]

What? Were you not watching the conversations between them during the chuunin exam?

Kabuto doesn't even LIKE Orochimaru.

What about when they were about to make out after tsunade beat the shit out of him?

[Abdula]

What? Were you not watching the conversations between them during the chuunin exam?

Kabuto doesn't even LIKE Orochimaru.

That is by far the dumbest thing you have ever said. Kabuto does not intent to surpass Oro he simply wants to serve him. He loves Orochimaru and he is the only person Oro trusts he said so himself. The two of them just like to play games with each other which is what they were doing then/ There are many other examples of this like when Oro sent Kabuto after Shizune or the fight with the Sannin or the conversation they had about Kimimaro after he had left.

Btw being a spy does fit Kabuto very well... he can change his atittude in a matter of seconds this is just perfect when you have to act as a spy.

Kabuto could also be something like a Double-Agent.... maybe he's working FOR orochimaru as a spy in akatsuki, which would also give the answer to the question why akatsuki did not catch up on him. he is allways one step ahead.
Kabuto gives "not so important" information to sasori while he gathers all the infos he can get from beeing in contact with sasori/akatsuki

Kabuto doesn't intend to surpass Oro at least not at this point. He seems to be content with merely serving him and helping him achieve his goals. He even offered Oro his body to use during the Sasuke retrieval arc.

I think Kabuto working as a double or I suppose he was a triple agent makes alot of sense. If he was working as a spy for Orochimaru not only in the leaf but also in Akatsuki that would explain why Orochimaru was always able to stay one step ahead of them and why they were never able to find him.

[DarthEnderX]

That is by far the dumbest thing you have ever said. Kabuto does not intent to surpass Oro he simply wants to serve him. He loves Orochimaru and he is the only person Oro trusts he said so himself. The two of them just like to play games with each other which is what they were doing then/ There are many other examples of this like when Oro sent Kabuto after Shizune or the fight with the Sannin or the conversation they had about Kimimaro after he had left.

Kabuto doesn't intend to surpass Oro at least not at this point. He seems to be content with merely serving him and helping him achieve his goals. He even offered Oro his body to use during the Sasuke retrieval arc.

I think Kabuto working as a double or I suppose he was a triple agent makes alot of sense. If he was working as a spy for Orochimaru not only in the leaf but also in Akatsuki that would explain why Orochimaru was always able to stay one step ahead of them and why they were never able to find him.

You are absolutely...100%...confusing Kabuto with Kimmimaru.

Nothing the show has ever shown us has ever shown ANY of what you described. In fact, when Orochimaru isn't standing right next to him, Kabuto is usually considering betraying him(like when he was considering killing Sasuke to ruin that particular plot of Orochimaru). The only times Kabuto acts like a loyal, obedient servant who only wants to help Orochimaru...is when Orochimaru is WITH him, which, der, he's a spy, he's fucking faking.


There's some reason why Kabuto serves Orochimaru, and it isn't because he loves him. It's either because Sasori wanted him too, or because Orochimaru has something he wants. Whatever it is, the show hasn't revealed it yet.

[Abdula]

What reason is there for Sasori to put a spy on Orochimaru other than him being an Akatsuki traitor. Aren't they too hunting him down trying to kill him. I have to give Oro credit though not only is he a S rank missing-nin who is wanted in most if not all the villages for death but even an organization made up solely of S rank missing-nin is hunting him and he still manages to escape them all. That is how you know you're a badass when even the bad guys want to kill you.

[Assertn]

I just want to see something really badass from Kabuto. I've been waiting for it since the scene where he approaches the unconscious Sasuke after the prelims.

[Abdula]

I just want to see something really badass from Kabuto. I've been waiting for it since the scene where he approaches the unconscious Sasuke after the prelims.

Tell me about it. Kabuto looked to have some serious potential as a major threat from the very beginning and the fact that they constantly compared him to Kakashi really got me excited about that, but it just never developed.

Well, Oro is still weaker than Itachi (he said so himself) so Oro might be strong, but not strong enough. And almost all of us would think that Zero is the strongest among the Akatsuki's. Hell, the guy is the leader among badasses and can do jutsu's through a hologram...

That is an awfully closed minded way of thinking of things. This isn't DBZ this is Naruto so Oro saying that Itachi is stronger than him doesn't really mean much. Sure Itachi may be stronger than him and he may have defeated him in the past, but that may simply be due to their different fighting styles. I remember Jiraiya saying something to the effect that Oro is stronger than he is and that he was never able to defeat him, yet Itachi who is supposed to be stronger than Oro ran from Jiraiya even though he had Kisame to back him up.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything, I'm just saying that 'strength' in Naruto doesn't automatically mean that one guy is stronger or better than someone else. Look at the what Temari did to Tayuya for example there is no way Temari was stronger that CS lvl 2 Tayuya, her jutsu was just well suited against Tayuya's.

[ASSpirine]

Well, Oro is still weaker than Itachi (he said so himself) so Oro might be strong, but not strong enough. And almost all of us would think that Zero is the strongest among the Akatsuki's. Hell, the guy is the leader among badasses and can do jutsu's through a hologram...

[Pessu]

Have you forgatten shippuuden ep1? It was naruto, sakura and sai (was it sai?) chasing sasuke. My memory may decieve me tho... Its clear that we are closing in on that moment.

Besides come one! The guy in the end was definately Sasuke. The partial face matches and he wear the same kind on footwear.

It would be logical for Sasuke trying to get closer to Akatsuki since he wants to kill hes brother. I think hes strong enough for that now.

[ASSpirine]

Have you forgatten shippuuden ep1? It was naruto, sakura and sai (was it sai?) chasing sasuke. My memory may decieve me tho... Its clear that we are closing in on that moment.

Besides come one! The guy in the end was definately Sasuke. The partial face matches and he wear the same kind on footwear.

It would be logical for Sasuke trying to get closer to Akatsuki since he wants to kill hes brother. I think hes strong enough for that now.

The meeting with the spy will happen on the Heaven and Earth bridge, Oro's hideout ain't a bridge I recon. And I don't think they chased Sasuke "the spy" to the hideout, cause when they encoutered Sasuke they seemed surprised to see him.

But now we're on the subject, we saw Naruto and the rest of Team Kakashi running inside Oro's lair, that meant Oro wasn't there. Don't think he tolerates intruders that easily. Meaning he was gone, perhaps he found out about a certain spy in his organisation?...
And in the opening song we did saw Oro in action.

And I don't think Sasuke is strong enough to kill Itachi, if so, he's strong enough to kill Oro, and I doubt he'd let that happen. Since Sasuke is his new container.