I dont think when tobi said not he was referring to the thought if that was a clone or not. I think he said not in like a kidding way.. cuz it lookd like naruto's rasengan connected n then tobi played him out by sayin "not".
I dont think when tobi said not he was referring to the thought if that was a clone or not. I think he said not in like a kidding way.. cuz it lookd like naruto's rasengan connected n then tobi played him out by sayin "not".
He feigned it like it hurt him.
Anyways, I like his personality this way.
Why do you all think Naruto is a dumbass? If anything, that was a great tactic, sneaking behind your enemy while he doesn't notice you. If it was anybody elses body, that Rasengan would have done some damage. It just sucks for Naruto that Tobi is like immortal or some crap. Even if it didn't work, they are still back to square 1 with the scenario still being Tobi is outnumbered 8-1.
Anyways.... I don't want Jiraiya to die.
Agreed. Tobi was seriously outnumbered. Kakashi was full of shit when he said that not attacking and just "observing" Tobi was a good idea. In fact, I bet it was a feint. He knows his teammates pretty well.Originally Posted by Id3aLiStiC
Why do you all think Naruto is a dumbass? If anything, that was a great tactic, sneaking behind your enemy while he doesn't notice you. If it was anybody elses body, that Rasengan would have done some damage. It just sucks for Naruto that Tobi is like immortal or some crap. Even if it didn't work, they are still back to square 1 with the scenario still being Tobi is outnumbered 8-1.
Anyways.... I don't want Jiraiya to die.
Protip: When you have the advantage, USE IT. Especially if it doesn't cost you anything. The Naruto haters should read Clausewitz's "On War".
Edit: Also, this chapter confirms why Kisame is my favorite Akatsuki member. Sure, others are more interesting plot-wise, but his politeness and strength are just too bad ass.
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Yeah what is up with the idiots calling Naruto dumb? There was nothing wrong in what Naruto did, and was probably the most ninja-esque thing we've seen this whole arc.
Also, Tsunade betting against Jiraiya is obviously not a bad omen for Jiraiya. The bad omen was when Tsunade said Jiraiya wouldn't have to put up a front for her anymore. Naturally, anyone that Tsunade starts to like ends up dying.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
It's funny, because he basically still acts the same as he used to. He's always taken the initiative (though he's gotten better at being effective). The difference is that he's strong enough to back up the initiation of force.
Because Assert, actions don't speak louder than words in this situation. And because Naruto is dumb. He uses rasengan as a bail out to everything. You can predict every move he'll ever do from now will have a 60% chance of clone + rasengan. It's lame. He's lame.
I doubt he wants anyone to know hes the leader or anything like that. Like he said, he's the "newcomer to the group."
I'm a bit interest in the Itachi and Sasuke fight, but I hope Itachi rips him a new one.
Jiraya ... one of my favorite characters back from when we first met him. I want him to come back and father many children with Tsunade... the pervert deserves that much at least.
I agree with Assertn. I didn't expect him to be able to sneak behind someone like that, and what's wrong with him using the rasengan? Its a very effective technique if used correctly. If he did that to a normal person, they'd be hurting. I mean if you have a killer technique, why not use it? (See Saito in Rurouni Kenshin)
When I first read it this chapter seemed fairly boring, but after stewing on it for several hours I think it was great. Suigetsu vs Kisame set up (I don't expect we'll actually see this fight), Sasuke vs Itachi set up, Tobi pwning large quantities of noob set up, and Jiraiya getting potentially owned set up, all in one chapter.
Problem is, he didn't "sneak" up behind him since Tobi was all ready for it.
From a tactical point of view, there was nothing wrong with what Naruto did in my opinion.
The only reason Tobi was "ready" for it was because he is suppose to be this "godly" ninja and there was no way Kishimito would let him take any damage that easily.
Actually, my interpretation was a bit different than the common one I'm seeing. I thought that the real Naruto was just then returning from his encounter with Itachi, and saw that Tobi had met with the other Konoha nin. This would explain why he had the "insight" to set up a clone and strike from the shadows: he left the clone there for recon purposes while the real Naruto and several other clones spread out. When he came back, the trap was already set. At least, that's what I figured.
It seemed like Tobi was really taken by surprise, but was either still able to dodge it, or maybe his body isn't affected by attacks. That's probably the most intriguing of all the battles set up. We've seen enough of the Jiriya/Pain fight to know what it's about, we know the majority of Itachi's and Sasuke's moves, we know Suigetsu and Kisame enough to know their styles, but Tobi is a complete mystery. Well, we know he has Sharingan, but there's no telling what kind of powers he can use with it. I'm excited. I can't wait for the next chapter.
Tobi has gone back to his normal personality I'm assuming because he is out in the open again the only time we saw him being serious was when he was with Pein. I don't think Tobi is going to reveal that he has the Sharingan because he didn't do it when we was with Sasuke so I don't think he would do it now. He just seems to be there to delay them like I said before and since he has gone back to his kid like personality I don't see him getting serious in this battle. Kakashi is there though so he might reveal the sharingan but that would depend on if he is pushed to fight and since they apparently can't even hit him I don't see that happening. Would be interesting if he did though, I bet we all know what the first thing to go through Kakshi's mind would be.
Naruto is an idiot, you know why because Kakashi told him not to do anything and secondly this isn't any normal opponent they are facing it an Akatsuki which requires that you be extremely cautious. Secondly, he has no idea who Tobi is because he was not in the book Kabuto gave them so he has no idea what he can/can't do.
Thirdly, the reason I say he is an idiot is because the first thing he does when he sees an opponent is charge at them. He did the same thing to Deidara didn't work, Kakuzu didn't work, Orochimaru didn't work, Itachi didn't work, Kabuto didn't work, so I have no idea why he thought it might work on Tobi.
Not because Tobi has some strange abilities or anything but because he is an Akatsuki and Naruto sneaking up behind his opponents didn't work even back when they were all genin so I don't know why he thinks a simple tactic like sneaking up behind an opponent would work now. It didn't work on genin so why would it work on Akatsuki who are all supposed to be super elite ninja.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Tsunade issued an order during the previous arc to go on the offensive to eradicate the remaining akatsuki. Since Tobi is a member, his elimination is in the best interests of Konoha as well. The only person who could be captured alive is Itachi, but only if they can't find Sasuke any other way (and if they don't get rid of Tobi, then they'll lose track of Sasuke again).
That's just a plot device to prolong battles against the major villains.
Sasuke tried to insta-kill Tobi when him and Deidara showed up as well.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Its not a plot device. If you're going to look at it that way then most of the battle tactics in Naruto could simply be labeled as plot devices, Naruto is just an idiot.
Sasuke has exceptional speed which is the only reason he tried that because not only did he have the sharingan so he could clearly see all of Tobi actions he had enough speed to counter him in the event that he did do something. That is the same logic he used when he was fighting Gaara during the chuunin exam.
Yes, I know Tsunade issued the order but that is not their mission. Secondly it was what 8 on 1 if they have a chance to kill Tobi it would only be because they are all together. Hinata has the Byakugan, Kakashi has the sharingan, Kiba can sense how strong an opponent is by smelling their chakra, and there is still Yamato, Shino and others so there was no need for Naruto to do what he did. They have enough abilities to analyze the situation and possibly neutralize Tobi, all he had to do was wait and let them assess the situation and come up with a plan of attack.
Naruto is an idiot.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Naruto manga > everything....
They have like two seconds of getting Konoha's impressions on Tobi then straight to Naruto's assassination attempt. Not 10 minutes of looking at all their different facial expressions and staring each other down.
I wish they would just let kishimoto get a team and animate pretty much all manga and just air 15 min episodes. I used to the think the filler shit is alright but it really kills the flow of what should be face paced ninja action.
Yeah I'm baked and haven't typed this much on here in years.
Peace.
How is exceptional speed more acceptable than a kage bunshin ambush?
You say that the speed is advantageous for being able to counter attacks, but we've already seen Naruto utilize kage bunshins against Kakuzu right off the bat to allow him to analyze Kakuzu's attack strategy...how is this different?
Ok, clearly Naruto made a bad move, and the Abdula-approved tactic would have been to quietly dispell the additional kage bunshins that Naruto has in the woods, even though a kage bunshin with rasengan was already hidden to the enemy, because there was a possibility that the kage bunshin could fail.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Haha i loved this chapter, the return of the old tobi personality. Anyone else think of Borat when that happened? "NOT!!!"
Anyways, i liked the set up with Tobi vs 8, Suigetsu vs Kisame and Sasuke vs Uchiha. It looks like Jiraiya may end up the way of Asuma, but at least its down fighting six peins. And I found it surprising that Tsunade takes this moment out of all places to confess her feelings for Jiraiya, would've helped ya know, before he went on a suicide mission against Akatsuki.
I hope Jiraiya comes out alive, he's one of my favourite characters, but at this point, looks like Tsunade's bet is going to win for once.
Pain can still use the BLIND one with the five remaining set of eyes.
Soooooooo jacked up..... hmmm time to replace that one lol
GO SASUKE! Although it doesn't look like Itachi wants to fight, common spill them beans about WHY YOU KILLED THE WHOLE CLAN ALREADY!
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