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    Does anyone remember if Narutoverse countries also maintain regular militaries in addition to ninja villages? I know Ninja villages are seen as infinitely more useful than regular military training camps, but in this world did they completely give up on using huge armies of relatively unskilled fighters or are they just not brought up much in the anime?

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    I think they do although I'm not basing this on anything. The ninja villages although they have elite fighters don't have the sheer numbers that would be necessary to launch a full scale assault on another country or sustain a long term war. There were a few references in some filler crap but nothing conclusive. Orochimaru mentioned something like that in his flashback with Kimimaro. There must be a large military force separate from a ninja village though because not only would a country be defenseless if a village was destroyed like the leaf was but there must be some insurance policy if a village was to attempt to secede or attack the countries leaders. Zabuza and Kisame had both supposedly attempted to kill the feudal lord before, in fact the entire mist village seems insubordinate, so I think there is a large military outside of the village.

    I think we haven't seen any thing about that because the ninjas seldom travel outside the villages and the great wars are over, and since the show is so heavily focused on the villages them selves I think it has just been neglected. This is all just speculation though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    Well, it won't be the first one who didn't do that. One great name echo's in my ear. Uchiha Itachi.

    At first I had my doubt about Yamato being a spy for root in ANBU, but after the encouter with Kakashi that doubt vanished. I just had that feeling. He could have easily been a team member once, or his subordinate as he says senpai to Kakashi.
    Just as Tsunade said, Danzou is a cold, calculating strategist. He came in, asked about Tsunade's choice for the leader, and then left. Then there's the previous episode, where she was confused about why Danzou would only select 1 teammate when he could select 2.

    Also, Yamato showed up late to the hospital right after the scene with Sai and the masked guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    I don't think anybody would call people dickless wussies and ugly bitches knowing what those words mean and still thinking it's the normal way of talking to team mates.

    Using reverse psychology this approach might be a good one for Sai if he indeed at some points need to do something nefarious. Because this way Naruto and Sakura will have other things to occupy their minds than trying to chat to him and probe about his past. And knowing Naruto, especially, he will be too hotheaded and angry to even consider Sai might be just keeping him occupied for special purposes.

    Or maybe Sai is just uber arrogant and a real bastard, and he doesn't bother to try to please people that he might consider to be of no use to him. While I hope there's some dark plot behind everything, I also hope Sai was just being honestly himself. That would ensure we will get more funny scenes in the future.
    Im sure its been said before, but Sai has no emotions, and doesn't know how to act sociably. I bet that he doesn't even know the negative meanings of those words and probably takes it too literal in his head. I mean come on, if you don't even know what face expression to make all the time, how do you expect to know if your words will anger (what is anger? is it bad? ) the people you talk to?


    As for Danzou, I seriously think someone needs to assassinate that old geezer. He tried to build his own division of ANBU until it fell apart, which is kinda like making a mini army within an army. (possibility of rebellion?)
    Not to mention, he kept calling Tsunade as Hime(Princess) Tsunade, rather than saying Hokage or just Tsunade. Its basically implying that he doesn't see her fit as a hokage, especially since he used to compete for that chair so desperately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by February
    Im sure its been said before, but Sai has no emotions, and doesn't know how to act sociably. I bet that he doesn't even know the negative meanings of those words and probably takes it too literal in his head. I mean come on, if you don't even know what face expression to make all the time, how do you expect to know if your words will anger (what is anger? is it bad? ) the people you talk to?
    Are you saying he doesn't have emotions or he's an idiot? Because only an idiot wouldn't understand what happens when you insult somebody. Emotions have nothing to do with it, other than they would either motivate you do it despite the consequences or not make it due to the consequences. Besides, he does have emotions. They are just supressed due to his Root background.

    As long as a real AI hasn't been developed, humans can't even imagine what an intelligence really without any emotions would be like. Emotions are so deeply coupled with our own intelligence.

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    Sorry Kraco, but that is wrong. Several types of Schitzophrenia include symptoms of lacking empathy and emotions and it can come from other kinds of psychological or physical stress/injury. The exact term for it is called Alexithymia.

    (The lack of empathy part would be the one that makes a person unable to know how anything would affect anyone else and what faces to make in any given situation)

    Lack of emotions is real, imagining how it "feels" is probably close to impossible for normal people, but it happens.

    Take autistic people as a different example.. People with autism have social impairments and often lack the intuition about others that many people take for granted, these which you say you have to be an idiot to not understand. (No, I'm not saying he's autistic... Just an example of how the brain -can- work)
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    Fine, you might be right, and I'm certainly no expert at psychology... But I still can't personally imagine it. And from my point of view Sai certainly doesn't appear to be a person without emotions, but a person with supressed emotions and either a somewhat twisted personality or a highly calculative nature (goes along with suppressed emotions) with a as of yet unrevealed plan.

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    Well I don't have to imagine what it is like, its not so much that you don't have emotions but that you don't experience them the way a 'normal' person would. Sai doesn't have a twisted personality and his calculative nature could just be a defensive mechanism he has to protect himself. Besides having a calculative nature is a good thing, I mean he is a ninja. He has also obviously gone through some intense emotional training and conditioning. Anyway just felt I should comment on this because I have that problem and I can assure you that I have no idea what people find offensive and it is a very difficult thing if you don't have experience with socializing especially with a diverse group of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by February
    As for Danzou, I seriously think someone needs to assassinate that old geezer. He tried to build his own division of ANBU until it fell apart, which is kinda like making a mini army within an army. (possibility of rebellion?)
    Not to mention, he kept calling Tsunade as Hime(Princess) Tsunade, rather than saying Hokage or just Tsunade. Its basically implying that he doesn't see her fit as a hokage, especially since he used to compete for that chair so desperately.
    I don't know why you would want him assassinated, sure he has his own division of anbu but he hasn't done anything that particularly threatens the position of the hokage or the well being of the village so there is no just cause in killing him. He didn't imply that she isn't fit for the position of hokage as a matter a fact I don't think he has a problem with that or he would've had some objections back when it was first suggested. If he has his own division of the anbu, and the village elders obviously hold him in such high regard, and he is such a cold, calculating militaristic person if he didn't want Tsunade to be hokage she most definitely wouldn't have been.

    Secondly calling Tsunade Hime is not disrespectful, it is obviously something she was called when she was young because she is the granddaughter of the first thus earning her the status of princess. Others have addressed Tsunade as Hime in the past including Jiraiya of all people. Danzou is her elder, he was competing for the position of hokage against her teacher so to him she is a little girl, so while some might find addressing the Hokage like that to be disrespectful in his case it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    I have that problem and I can assure you that I have no idea what people find offensive and it is a very difficult thing if you don't have experience with socializing especially with a diverse group of people.
    You are lying if you say you don't know if calling a guy a dickless wussy is or a girl an ugly bitch is offensive. I could buy something far more subtle, even accidentally, or more slight but not those ones.

    You know, people with impaired emotions can fake emotions and learn how to read and manipulate them nevertheless. And from the point of view of an outside observer, there's no difference or such a person might even seem far more pleasant and friendly like is the case with certain types psychopaths (until the psychopath no longer finds you useful at which point he will discard you without a second thought due to those impaired emotions).

    And I never said Sai would be a bad ninja. I just said he does have emotions, no matter how hidden behind walls, and he knew what he was doing when he said those things.

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    I don't know about Sakura he seemed genuine there but of course he was intentionally insulting Naruto he doesn't seem to respect him at all not that he has any reason to yet. I think the first words most other ninjas say to Naruto is usually an insult, Neji, Gaara, Kiba and Sasuke are perfect examples.
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    On the lack of emotions part and all, I don't see Sai insulting Danzou or his teacher. Whatever problems/attitude he has, it's selective. We'll see what he says to Yamato.

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    Aye Abdula, you need to get out of the house some. I stayed home from work today since I was sick, and found you arguing in every Naruto thread I read.

    Regarding Sai, there is essentially no basis to form an opinion about him. He started off on the wrong foot. Big deal.

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    I guess that depends on what you definition of arguing is besides what else is there to do on this forum anyway. I don't know about getting out of the house more because that wouldn't affect the amount of time I spend on the forums because it isn't much.

    There isn't much we know about Sai but if we all just waited until we did know something then there wouldn't be much to post in the Naruto thread would there. Every one starts of on the wrong foot would Naruto, well atleast most of the ninjas he meets because he is the complete opposite of what one would expect a ninja to be.

    I want to see Sai in action his fighting style is quite unique the closest thing we have seen to it is deidara but his "art" was completely different.
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