If you mean mental boost, then no thats not what I was referring to. I was referring to negative effects it would have on Naruto which could be a reason why it was sealed away in the first place.Originally Posted by Abdula
If you mean mental boost, then no thats not what I was referring to. I was referring to negative effects it would have on Naruto which could be a reason why it was sealed away in the first place.
okay, I was talking about what it would be like if the Kyuubi had some control over Naruto mentally. I mean if he could talk etc and take full control of all Naruto's capacities like Ichigo and his hollow friend instead of just driving him mad with power. What positive effects does the Kyuubi have on Naruto besides healing and the large amount of chakra, that is the only positives Naruto has because of the Kyuubi. I would imagine that if the Kyuubi was whole it would have completely taken control of Naruto a long time ago because he doesn't seem to have much mental strength.
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naruto cannot be taken control of...if you have to give credit to naruto all that credit would be on his mental strength...never giving up and such...so i guess we can't have another ichigo here(well that would be a little stupid i think)also kyuubi has been inserted in naruto when he was a baby no matter what by that time he didn't have any mental or physical strength to put up against except his chakra(which at the time was less than it is now)so if kyuubi could take over naruto it would have done by then even at half power
Never giving up and such, Naruto's only credit is that he talks big if he sometimes manages to believe the crap that comes out of his mouth that is not toughness. I know for one thing I have never seen a ninja, whine, complain and cry as much as Naruto has. He doesn't have much self confidence because of how he was shunned as a child, the attitude he walks around with is just a shroud to cover up that.
The reason Naruto hasn't been taken over is only because of the strength and intricacy of the seal the fourth used. The seal has become weak over time and what Jiraiya did didn't help the problem, so now is where Naruto's mental strength is going to come in. I had the feeling that when he met Sasuke that the Kyuubi was going to come out again if Sasuke hadn't stepped in because Naruto obviously can't control it. This thing about Naruto's chakra being able to resist the Kyuubi is bull because we have seen plenty of evidence to the contrary. Oh and the thing about Naruto's chakra being strong refers to the quality not the quantity. Similar to when Jiraiya and Orochimaru transformed the amount of chakra didn't increase the quality did, the same happened with Tsunade only she had stored up a large amount of chakra in the seal but she used it to heal herself not to fight.
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I have to disagree with that. Naruto's fight with Orochimaru alone shows that if he draws on Kyuubi's power he starts to lose control and the fox slowly takes over. When Naruto first encounters Sauske again after the time skip he almost removes the seal on Kyuubi. In my opinion that incident also shows that the Kyuubi may also be slowly influencing Naruto in small ways. With the seal weakening I wonder if Naruto may be taken over by the fox even without drawing on Kyuubi's chakra.
I could see Tsunade showing up to help, but only because, being a sannin she has a connection to hanzo, whom was killed by Pain.
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yeah he has that problem when it's something connected to sasuke but not to everything...now that you mentioned sasuke i remember when sasuke got into naruto's head and saw the kyuubi...didn't kyuubi tell him not to kill him because he'll regret it?so there are 2 possibilities 1)kyuubi likes naruto 2)feared for its life...well i believe it's both actually(you know everyone in the series talk anout how naruto can become friends with anyone...well why not kyuubi)
Except for Kabuto, who was driven to become an even more deadly foe because of his contact with Naruto. I seriously doubt the Kyuubi cares about Naruto. It seems that if Naruto (the container) is destroyed, then the Kyuubi will be as well, being a captive in his body. I wonder, then, if the Kyuubi realizes the damage he is doing to Naruto when he releases four tails, and if this poses a danger to the Kyuubi. Perhaps if all nine tails get out, the fox may be able to break free unscathed before Naruto is killed?
I don't know about that sometimes it seems that if Naruto dies the Kyuubi will die with him and sometimes it seems that if Naruto dies the Kyuubi will be released I think they really need to tell us exactly what would happen. I don't think the Kyuubi cares about Naruto, he has obviously gained a little respect for Naruto and he seems to have become fond of him but I doubt he cares about him. He is the Kyuubi, he is supposed to be fueled by hatred and malice, so I don't think he cares about anyone. Secondly Naruto is his captor although it isn't Naruto's fault but Naruto is holding him prisoner and using his power on top of that.
So whether he likes Naruto or not he has been trapped like that for 15+ years so I think he would kill him or get rid of him the first chance he gets.He obviously has a lot of hatred for the fourth, Naruto and the Leaf.
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Last edited by Abdula; Wed, 11-28-2007 at 03:58 PM.
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That is one long and almost incomprehensible sentence.
Peace.
A few people have mentioned that they thought Itachi could easily kill Pein using Tsukuyomi, since Pein sees everything from 6 different points of view. I think it's also plausible that Itachi can't kill Pein easily because Pein sees from 6 POV's.
I mean, think back to when Jiraiya taught Naruto how to break out of genjutsu. Jiraiya explained that genjutsu rely on manipulating the victim's brain chakra to create illusions. And Pein has 6 brains that seem to work together, using perfect telepathic team work. My "theory" is that Pein's telepathic vision technique is just genjutsu too. His eyes grant his bodies the power to transmit illusions to the other bodies by manipulating their brain chakra. And thinking back to Jiraiya's lesson on genjutsu, it can be broken by forcing chakra through your brain.
All this taken together makes me think Itachi can't kill Pein, at least not using the Rinnegan as a weakness.
Let's consider a scenario for examples. Suppose one of Pein's bodies (call it A) gets caught in Tsukuyomi. Then it means Itachi's chakra is messing with A's brain. Fine. But it doesn't mean Itachi knows how to force A to send the other bodies the illusion Tsukuyomi produces. Also, it is plausible that since the other bodies use genjutsu to maintain their link with A -- and thus they obviously know how to force chakra through A's brain -- that the others might just focus their chakra on A's brain and overpower Tsukuyomi.
Finally someone agrees with me. It would be stupid if a major villain like Pein could be easily defeated by one if his subordinates' jutsus. Plus this chapter has shown that genjustsu doesn't seem to be too effective against Pein although the reason is yet to be revealed.
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Interresting concept, however if it were true, then the Rin'Nigan power would have an enormous weakness. All the enemy would have to do would be to break the genjutsu by injecting their chakra into one of Pain's bodies. Although, they may have to do it to all six individually. I like your idea, but I'm still more convinced that the bodies are linked, not by a jutsu of any sort, but because they each came from the same source - in other words, they were originally one body.
I'm thinking If the 6 bodies were dead people from the past and Pein brought them back. You think he brought back Obito as Tobi?
*puts Obito is not Tobi flame suit on*
FLAME ON!
That's not an enormous weakness. At worst, it's a weakness everybody has. No known character would survive a strong chakra injection attack like Neji's taijutsu or Naruto's Windmill Rasengan if they connected. These, and genjutsu, are the only chakra injection attacks we've seen so far (if I recall). Genjutsu isn't as big a deal, since the other bodies could just use their genjutsu to overpower and reconnect to (and thus rescue) the other body.
Genjutsu really isn't that big of a deal especially in Peins case. I don't know why anyone thinks Itachi would be able to kill Pein yes Itachi is a master of genjutsu but his normal genjutsu would be easy enough to overcome and we don't know enough about MS to know how it would work.
Anyway I doubt we will ever see a Pein vs Itachi battle because for one thing the closest we have ever come to seeing two different Kekkei Genkais face off against each other was Sasuke vs Haku. Itachi doesn't have any reason to fight Pein and even if they do face off I would give Pein a tremendous advantage because not only were Itachi and Kisame intimidated by Jiraiya but Pein is the leader of akatsuki so rinnegan or not its safe to say that he is just plain stronger than any of the other members.
Since he is the one who formed the group he must know all the members and their strengths and weaknesses and since he is partners with Tobi I would think he knows all about the Sharingan and its abilities and exactly how to defeat it. Not to mention that it would be six on one and we have yet to see Itachi use MS on a non sharingan user or use genjutsu on multiple opponents at that.
Itachi's strongest justsu or doujutsu's which are easy enough to avoid and even if he does catch Pein in one, he should be strong enough to be able to break out. Even if the jutsu is inescapable like Jiraiya's was Pein has other bodies. I doubt Itachi would use genjutsu against Pein anyway because someone like him should have tremendous mental fortitude.
Anyway this post is getting lengthy and we don't know much about Itachi since we have yet to see him in a serious battle, and I'm sure we have seen very little of what Pein is capable of so having this discussion now doesn't make sense.
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