I really hope that he doesn't have one and you bring up a good point since he is presently fused with two amphibians. If his theory is true then that would make killing Pein exponentially more difficult.
I really hope that he doesn't have one and you bring up a good point since he is presently fused with two amphibians. If his theory is true then that would make killing Pein exponentially more difficult.
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Well, not really random, since it was my theory originally. You expanded on it just a bit though. I think it should be obvious how the other three bodies knew where and when to come - they all have Rin'negan, so they all say the same fight through each viewpoint. If their "buddies" were in trouble, they would definitely react. Though, Jiraiya seems to have come to some understanding at the end, one which apparently scares the shit out of him.Originally Posted by February
Hmmm, for some reason, I'm not so sure he will lose. If they are going to kill him off, what's the point of him losing an arm? I think he will escape seriously wounded....which is still losing, I guess. Like I said, 380 is going to be good.
Edit: I like the idea of the frogs helping Jiraia regenerate. I'm gonna cross my fingers 'till next week.
Yeah....throughout the whole fight I can't help but wonder how anyone else is supposed to possibly beat him if Jiraiya fails.
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How badass was it when Jiraiya wasted no more time talking, and just plunged that gigantic sword in each of the three bodies' chests? Huh? Fantastic, if you ask me.
Itachi could do it! If all six pairs of eyes were on him it would be easy for him to use genjutsu on them, since he is such a wiz.
And yeah Jiraiya not himhawing around was great. STRAIGHT TO THE BIG ASS KNIFE IN THE CHEST!!!
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Jiraiya was awsome in this chapter, and i also remeber reading something on the meaning of the word Rinnegan, im pretty sure it means "Samsara eye", and samsara is the circle of reincarnation, or re-birth, so maybe the power of the Rinnegan is able to bring people back to life? it would explain how the 3 bodies that were killed were brought back.
No matter what happens Jiraiya is seriously screwed would be nice if he could manage to escape or get back to the leaf before he dies but honestly I want him to die like this it suits him. I doubt Itachi could beat Pein, because even if they all share the same points of view I don't know if using genjutsu on one or all of them would work. Then again we've only seen then again we still don't know much about Itachi because we have only seen him use all of six techniques but if his genjutsu could work on Pein like that it would be pretty lame.
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I'm confused why anyone would think Jiraiya will die any time soon. Its been pretty blatant that the Sanin still have a roll in this and are not going to be killed so easily. Otherwise there would be no point in Orochimaru still being alive despite being clearly killed already. At most he will be captured and used as a doll by Pein forcing Naruto and such to come save him not just look he lost and is dead.
As for Pein(when did this change from Pain anyway?) the 6 bodies seemed linked but being he came up and looked over the 6 bodies if I recall that means he has atleast 7 bodies. As such I'd assume these 6 need to be killed together or his main body needs to be killed on its own and either would end the jutsu.
As things stand I agree nobody is currently powerful enough to beat him if Jiraiya is taken down. However, we already know Naruto only has half the Kyuubi's power at this time so assuming Jiraiya is captured and Naruto gains the other half of that power its reasonable he could become strong enough to beat Pein. The 4th tail being added to Naruto's power by mearly cracking the seal and giving Naruto a bit more of the Kyuubi's power was enogh to make Naruto strong enough to force Jiraiya to fear for his life and take a mearly mortal wound so it is safe to say if he gained all of that power he could dwarf the strength of Jiraiya.
Dude, you really need to reread a few chapters. First of all Orochimaru by no stretch of the imagination is alive. Sure one could say that his mind is inside Sasuke but Orochimaru said himself that only the will of his host would remain buried in his subconscious and we certainly didin't see that affecting Orochimaru and since Sasuke's will is already stronger that his I don't see that as a problem. Secondly what kabuto did would only give him Orochimaru's physical abilities and although it may be taking his body over I doubt he will lose and even if he does he will be more of a Zombie than another Orochimaru. Jiraiya doesn’t really have anything more to teach Naruto all he has to do is give him the scroll with the key. I would think Naruto and the toads would have to do the rest in the same way the toads trained Jiraiya.
The name didn't change I just use Pein because I think a villain calling himself Pain is really lame. He has six bodies that is where we get the six paths of pain from what we saw in the cave was him getting into a chamber and there were 5 other bodies next to his that equals six.
OH and the other "half" of the Kyuubi chakra was sealed away with the god of death Naruto is most likely not going to ever get it back because I think there is a very good reason why the fourth did that. Secondly I think you are thinking about this the wrong way the fourth didn't exactly seal half the kyuubi's power he split the ying and yang chakra and sealed on away and gave the other to Naruto so while Naruto would possibly have had more abilities if he had the other half he wouldn't necessarily be stronger.
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Jirayas sword stone were cool, and he still has one left (four giant frogs).
killing all of Payne's bodies at once might kill him, but I suspect there's other ways as well.
Payne doesn't use all six of his bodies at once (except during this fight), he keeps them in the cyrogenic chamber (futurama ref) and switchs between them (and summons them according to his needs).
there's no way that all six of his bodies can survive at the same time for more than a few hours.
maybe he has a disease that's cuasing him to decompse (which is why he invented the six body justu), maybe the godemodeyes have a nasty side effect, maybe the monster statue with all the demons requires near - constant attention by him. all possible explantions.
If we end up seeing the paper girl coming to fight Jiraya for a while, we can check a big V on the theory.
next on the matter:
we need to have 'names' for each body, basing on p14-15, my nicknames for them:
left to right(1>2).
"Yahiko" body, long haired body, (no name yet), "Deidare" body, fatso body, horny skull body
I wonder how the horny skull body managed to cut of jirayas hand, and why did it cause such an explosion?
also, it seems that Jiraya has decided that Naruto is the "chosen one", and he might tell Naruto about his origins.
@Abdula
First off my point in Orochimaru still being alive in whatever state you want to call it is very simple Kishi is unwilling to fully kill off the Sanin at this time. My statement on that matter is simply that I highly doubt Jiraya will be killed off any more then Orochimaru was and as such Kishi will right a way for him to survive.
Next ok got it you just dislike calling him Pain regardless of if thats his name. Well then guess I'll go back to and keep calling him Pain until its actually proven wrong.
Finally on Naruto and the Kyuubi.... The thing is if releasing the second part of the seal the frogs got wouldn't make Naruto significantly stronger Jiraya would have never even attempted it much less made sure to leave it to Naruto in case anything happened to him. Next its called NARUTO for a reason and thats in the end he will end up as the overall strongest character in this show regardless of if you like or hate him. Pain at this point is the leading person after Naruto and if he kills his teacher you better believe Naruto is taking him down.
Also finally Tsunade already said she was comming for Jiraya if anything happened to him so I kind of doubt he won't be saved or kept alive in some state by the end of this.
That is true, I could see Itachi doing it.
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She said for him to send one of his frogs, at which point she would help him out. Unless he did this underhandedly, there has been no such message sent..but he's already prepared to give up his life so yeah...
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@DDben:
The key is to release the seal inside Naruto not to regain the part of the kyuubi that Minato sealed away with the death god, I think you got that confused. Yes, I get your point about Naruto, of course in the end I would expect him to be a great ninja but not the overall strongest because there is no such thing in Naruto this isn't DBZ.
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I'll agree I have no idea what your talking about in the part sealed by the death god. I'm speaking of the second half of the power stored with the Frog that Jiraya sent to safety before going for Pain. He had the other half of the 9 tails power which Jiraya was using to power up Naruto when he went 4 tails and caused that massive scar.
So unless your talking about something completely unrelated to that which was stated as a legacy for Naruto he wasn't ready for yet I'm not sure what your referencing. There would be no reason to make sure Naruto got it if it wouldn't make him stronger if he found out how to use it and it wouldn't make sense it was merely the EVIL part of the 9 tails. It was stated atleast in the scan I read that Naruto only had half the 9 tails Chakra and more Chakra means you can do a lot more with your techniques and use more expensive techniques more often thus making you a lot stronger in general.
Yes it was a huge cliff hanger, but I really hope they hurry this up. We've gotten like 3 or 4 different explanations already. We still have Sasuke and Naruto to focus on, and the fact that Itachi has something to tell both of them. The two things that interest me most right now are: the key for Naruto, and what Itachi wanted to tell Naruto.
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you kno after thinking about the chosen one and everything... what if pain is the one that is goin to bring goodness in the world.. n naruto the one to bring chaos by fully releasing kyubi somehow..
There's a possibility that the frog sent to naruto will end up being found by Tsunade, but I doubt it. I think Jiraiya is dead. I think Oro is dead, and who knows maybe Tsunade will die too.
I think Kishi showed he isn't afraid to kill characters. We seen this most recently with Asuma, and it looks like the manga is caught in its current theme of preparing the younger generation. For that to happen alot of the older one has to die. I love Jiraiya's character, but I think it's his end. Although it would be cool is Tsunade showed up and rescued him, or somehow helped him to beat Pein. Doubtful though because with how the chapter ended it looks like there's still something more to Pein (maybe he's Yahiko, maybe he's Madara). Besides, how popular is the whole "You killed my master I end up killing you" story. Heck it even happened in Kill Bill. This prepares the story for Naruto to eventually kill Pein, and then the Big Frog's prophecy comes true in a way.
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Wow, I love this idea. In other words, Pain is the chosen one who will bring either peace or complete destruction (in this case destruction), and Jiraiya's "choice" had already been made when he chose to train Naruto? Absolutely ingenious! Unfortunately, if it's true, Jiraiya will have to die, for Naruto to save the world. Then the debates will begin again about who was really the chosen one, when it turns out they both were.
Kinda like Star Wars' prophecy about balancing the force, and both Luke and Anakin having an equal part in that supposedly one-person prophecy.
Or did I misinterpret your idea?
I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but has anyone considered that Pein/Pain (however you want to call him) is not the chosen one, and maybe Naruto is? There is potential there that HE is the one that will bring about a revolution (i.e Hokage using his ultimate powers for peace or war) and that HIS actions with Pein will decide the future because if we look back at previous chapters, we still don't know why Yondaime/Flash (whatever...) sealed the nine tails inside of him. Was it because the kyuubi chakra was meant to be used against a God and thus bring some kind of balance? something to think about...
Secondly, finding Jiraiya doesn't seem so far-fetched as it seems because we've seen the amazing tracking abilities of Kiba's clan and assuming that his family carries the same trait, their pin-point accuracy of finding him will be no problem, getting there in time is. And knowing Kishi, he likes to surprise us when we least expect it. It's plausible for Konoha to already have spread the word by now since they have so many teams out on the hunt for Akatsuki. As for his death, it almost seems necessary in order for the story to be complete. The naruto adventure would almost seemed bland if not for the death of an important character like him, but now I think is too soon and this is not the right place; additionally, it has to be outside the gates of the city because you can't simple walk in. He's too smart to die and if he does, it has to be tragic where an entire helpless group arrives only in time to watch his death or see his helpless body. This has happened with the Third, with Gaara, with Asuma, etc.
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