Last edited by Yukimura; Fri, 11-16-2007 at 05:20 PM.
Alot more strategy than I thought would happen in a Jairaya fight. But I guess that is due to the 2 toads. Not a bad chapter though. I liked it.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Hmm this fight is probably the most technical fight in the series so far. With the way its going now it might be possible that Jiraiya might survive this fight.
What do mean alot more strategy than you would've thought? He is one of the Sannin not to mention the fact that his teacher was one of the best strategist the village had ever seen. Besides when you're completely outmatched and your back is up against the wall the only thing you have left is strategy.Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil
Seems like I'll get to bitch about some fools who doubted my theories about the Rinnegan and its abilities and whether or not it was more powerful than the Byakugan.DBZ
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Eh... The Rin'egan is a pretty cheap as in lame ability. Wtf.. Summon two people and then you have vision of all 3? C'mon, Kishi could have came up with a much better ability for our villain. Unless there is more to it.
Like seriously, this kind of ability sounds like an Ino thing.
I love how, like everyone thought that Jiriyai didnt stand a chance against pein, i was one of those people, but look at Jiraiya now, he's doing far better than i think anyone ever expected. it even looks like he'll survive, we cant really say anything for sure though, i remember that pein has alot more bodies that just those three. So maybe the fight with those 3 is gonna end soon but pein might bring out more of his bodies, and we dont even know which one is the real pein yet. and we also dont know if the Rinnegan has any more powers (which it probably does cause i dont believe a mind link is the only thing it can do) cant wait to see the next chapter. This has to be one of my all time favorite fights now.
What makes you think Jiraiya is going to survive. I mean he must know some very good escape jutsu or he could simply use the same jutsu he used to get into the village in the first place to escape but it doesn't look like Jiraiya intends to survive this battle, he is going all out, its win at any cost at this point. Also Jiraiya doesn't seem to think that he is going to be defeat Pein let alone walk away from this battle, which is why he told the toads to leave him if anything happens.
He managed to overcome one of the Rinnegan's abilities but Pein doesn't seem to be the least bit unsettled. Maybe we are going to get to see another one of his eye's abilities but even if we don't and Jiraiya manages to eliminate any advantages the Rinnegan would give Pein he still has to fight him one on one which I don't think he is going to be able to do although he is rather confident about it.
Lets hope Jiraiya really does survive this battle because I always liked his character, more now than ever before, and there is definitely a lot more he can teach Naruto about the nine tails and somehow the information on Pein needs to get back to Konoha I still don't see any way for this battle to end without his death, everything in this arc before now just pointed in that direction.
@Id3aLiStiC: What makes you think the Rinnegan doesn't have more abilities because it is a very safe assumption to make at this point. Oh and I remember thinking the Sharingan's ability to copy everything an opponent does was really cheap too, but I think the Rinnegan so far is very original.
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What was the skinny one's skill, anyway? Taijutsu? We saw him charge Jiraiya like, once...then get kicked in the face....I don't remember him doing anything else.
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Is that why he had his eyes closed? Or was it to defend against the genjutsu somehow?
Anyway, I have an idea. I'll throw it out there for you guys. My theory is that Pein somehow split his abilities into separate bodies to make better use of the Rin'nigan in battle. By doing this, he would be able to share their vision, since their experience of the fight would go into a collective consciousness that is the real Pein. This would also explain why each body has very limited abilities. By giving one body all of his Taijutsu, another all of his summoning jutsu, and one the ability to absorb all elemental attacks, he's placing himself in three separate roles, allowing him to attack and defend against anything, and all at once. Even if this was possible for any ninja, only the Rin'Nigan would allow the user to share the vision, which completes the ability. So.....there is no real Pein, since the "real Pein" is divided evenly amongst all of the bodies.
So, that's my theory. Yeah. This chapter was damn good though.
well i want to see something else except for jiraiya and the 3 peins...like sasuke and itachi for example?...well the theory of pein dividing himself into three is good but i bet that uses a lot of chakra and unless he is another naruto he won't be able to keep this up for long
I'm thinking it's a permanent division, so it won't constantly consume chakra. Otherwise, they'd just be shadow clones.
This chapter has been really confusing in terms of actions for me because the drawing was unclear for me. From what I am guessing, the fat summon is currently within the fire, the thin one got stuck on the pipe from Jiraiya's jutsu, and its the regular Pein vs Jiraiya?
EDIT: Where is my Itachi vs Sasuke??!!! >
Bravo.
The Original Pein only uses summonings, the fat one has an absorption ability, we haven't seen what the skinny one does yet. Jiraiya only said that using taijutsu against them would be useless because its three on one. Why would you think taijutsu would be an ability, any and all ninja can use taijutsu and wasting an entire body on taijutsu is just plain stupid. I guess we'll find out what the skinny one's ability is in the next chapter.
Why do you people all think that Naruto's large amount of chakra is something special. Sure when he uses the Kyuubi he can generate more chakra than anyone but normal Naruto's chakra isn't all that spectacular. If you think about it Naruto just has a high chakra capacity, so does Choji, I know he can generate a serious amount of chakra. The sannin are all high chakra capacity ninja, if I remember Oro's battle with Naruto correctly the only reason he stopped fighting was because his host body began rejecting him not because he ran out of chakra and he was fighting 4 tails. Every Akatsuki member we've seen fight before has not only had a large amount of chakra but their chakra was very strong as well. We all saw what Kisame and Itachi could do with just 30% and Deidara, Kakuzu and Sasori all had a lot of chakra. I don't care what you think about Sasuke and his curse seal but he was able to defeat One tail Naruto and Deidara so he has a lot of chakra too. So Naruto's level of chakra may be exceptional when compared to normal ninja but its nothing special when compared to Akatsuki. Pein being the leader of Akatsuki must have an extremely large amount of chakra which is pretty obvious from all the summoning we've seen not to mention the fact that he has six bodies, so instead of having to divide up his chakra I would think it would make more sense if he could use the chakra of all six bodies.
Last edited by Abdula; Sat, 11-17-2007 at 09:48 PM.
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I agree with that theory, it makes alot of sense, and if said theory is true, that means the rest of the bodies would each have a diffrent ability, and i remember a chapter were they showed that pein had like at least 5 or 6 bodies. i wonder what the other bodies can do. and i wonder to defeat pein, would jirayia have to beat all the bodies or maybe there is one that is controlling them all. if so... if that one is killed would all the bodies just like "stop working" or would jiriaya have to kill them all?
If it is a collective consciousness then I would think you would need to kill all six bodies because we know he can switch between them.
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That sounds right.. it still seems odd though.. if it was a collective consciousness why would he need to go into that machine in that one chapter?
Who knows, but it seemed to me like he was storing the bodies there to keep them safe. I mean he was hiding them in some kind of a cavern and there was a huge wall in front of it and I'm assuming there was a very strong barrier as well.
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maybe that machine was to switch the "dominate" consciousness, one of those bodies must be giving the orders in some how or some way. but then that would defeat the whole purpose of collective consciousness.. so then the most logical thing would be for storage, as you said.
I was very unimpressed with this chapter.
I thought there was going to be significant information given about Jiraiya, Pein or "the chosen one". Jiraiya bailing to find out a plan isn't very "sennin" of him to do. Although most might think it would be. I don't. Kishi should have had him bust out some more stuff that we haven't seen yet, instead of the frogs on his shoulders helping to bail him out. That's lame. And kind of a cop out too. In addition to that, the vision thing could have been worked out in the last chapter. This fight has already passed its expiration date.
Another thing. I don't think Pein is even one of the bodies in the chambers at all. I think he's in another building or something puppet stringing the bodies with his Rin'negan completely away from the fight, and out of harm. If his eyes had any real ability, that would be an impressive one. Being able to see more than one point of view at once is just stupid. So is splitting the bodies up to each have their own type of jutsu. That means Pein has to constantly keep switching just to be safe.
I also considered that pein might not be in any of those bodies but actually controlling them from an outside or remote area. it would make the rin'negan seem a lot more powerful if this theory is true.
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