There is a reason why I said.After watching the episodes where Jiraiya "taught" Naruto the rasengan I don't consider the spiraling and condensing of chakra to be that difficult.I'll leave this discussion alone until the anime progresses a bit.
There is a reason why I said.After watching the episodes where Jiraiya "taught" Naruto the rasengan I don't consider the spiraling and condensing of chakra to be that difficult.I'll leave this discussion alone until the anime progresses a bit.
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Ok, I'll accept that. I haven't even been keeping up with the anime up to this point.
But even if the Chidori "is" lightning, it's no different than the Katon Gokakyu no Jutsu being fire or some ice jutsu being ice. The handseals take the users Chakra and magically expel them as an element or attack.
The Rasengan bypasses this step in favor of direct control over the Chakra. As for your opinions about the learning curve, that's just up to you. The fact is that everyone in the show at that point kept going on about "how impossible this jutsu is to learn desu." You just have to accept it at face value. Chakra control is tough shit to master.
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Chakra control is tough to master that is why no talent Naruto had to create a clone to use the rasengan. To my knowledge the way the technique works is that the original Naruto just releases a large amount of chakra and the clone does the chakra control including the spiraling and compacting of the chakra using its hands. By that logic anyone one who has enough chakra which would include Sasuke since it was stated that chidori uses more chakra than rasengan and knows shadow clones, which most chuunin and all jounin know should be able to use rasengan.
This I will have to address later.Originally Posted by XanBcoo
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I'm gonna agree that more Ninja out there should be capable of using the Rasengan, but chalk it up to Naruto's Chakra pool as the reason why only he uses it so predominantly.
I was just sayin' Rasengan is obviously a completely unique Jutsu. It's "outside the box" thinking, and probably not many people know about it or would think to use their Chakra in that manner. I really don't know.
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Tsunade would never use it because she would never learn it. She's far too lazy to go through all the practice required. She's an excellent medical ninja but that's only because she's so interested in medical sciences and she wants to save lives (which is no wonder considering her history). However, if she was asked to learn something that has nothing to do with healing people and would be hard to master to boot, she would avoid it at all cost.
And Sakura doesn't seem to pay any more attention to battle jutsu than Tsunade does, and she's probably still too busy trying to master medical sciences even if she wanted to. So, she won't be learning rasengan (not that anybody would teach it to her - unless she seduced Jiraiya).
It comes down to whether one thinks the Rasengan is difficult to learn or not. Jiraiya and Tsunade seem to think it is, but they're only Legendary Ninjas, each with a lifetime of experience, and one having trained a Hokage, what could they possibly know about rating the difficulty of jutsu...
Abdula what is it that makes you think spinning and compressing chakra isn't hard (with no mention of containing or maintaining it) after seeing only one person demonstrate the ability and hearing about only one other who could?
And if you're reason is simply "because Naruto could do it" you should remember that the two ninjutsu Naruto most commonly uses were both considered Jounin level techniques before he was even born.
If the point of this discussion is to analyze Kishimoto's development of the characters and attacks within the world that Naruto is set in then, yes, we should just discuss it in a manga thread, because half of this discussion has nothing to do with Kishimoto.
Because the rasengan I remember from Kishimoto's vision definitely deserves more credit.
Edit: Also...there have been far too many rasengan vs chidori threads to discuss the pros and cons of rasengan. But the simple, most critical point is that Rasengan is an assassin-type jutsu that requires minimal chakra and no hand seals, making it the most ideal type of short-ranged attack. The chidori on the other hand, is not too sophisticated, uses up about 1/3 of Sasuke's chakra, and (supposedly) requires fast taijutsu to execute.
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@Yukimura: I don't think spinning and compressing chakra is easy, I would imagine that its incredibly difficult I was just saying that once that is done and the outer shell to contain it is completed the jutsu is self sustaining so there is no need to maintain anything as there is with chidori.
Anyway, this discussion really is going nowhere fast and I don't think we will ever get a definite answer and since I'm a sworn Naruto hater I don't think I will ever be convinced that Naruto deserves so much credit just for being able to do two jounin lever techniques especially considering that his repertoire only has three jutsu total. Well I suppose that if you can only use 3 jutsus they must really be way more powerful than all the others just to give you a fighting chance but I just don't think Shadow clones and summonings are all that special.
I think the simplest way to end this would be to say that although there are definitely other ninjas out there capable of performing the Rasengan they were never taught it, and there was never any need for them to learn it because they all have an abundance of other jutsus at their disposable and Naruto doesn't.
lol'd at the thought of Sakura seducing someone but she could definitely manage Jiraiya, all she has to do is smile.
Since you brought her up. What is up with the constant mentioning of Sakura being a genjutsu type yet she hasn't used any genjutsu ever and it doesn't if look like she is trying to learn any. I mean you would think with all the character development that is going on now and every ninja and their momma pulling out some new jutsu that Kishi would have let her learn genjutsu during the time skip. That was a missed opportunity in my opinion, all she is now is a Tsunade clone, but he never cared about Sakura anyway.
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It always marvels me when someone in this forums claims to hate with passion a character, especially the main character who is on screen 90% of the time.
Tell... how can you stand watching a series about a character you obviously dislike? It it were me I would be watching another series instead...
This is not an attack... its just... I am curious. Honestly.
I didn't think it was an attack, I don't hate Naruto as passionately as you think I do. I stick to the manga, he is not so much of an annoyance there. Manga is my thing but my girlfriend is an adamant anime fan so I only watch it when she forces me to which is once a week. Naruto isn't that bad compared to the other stuff I was subjected to, Demon eyes Kyo for example.
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Come on. We saw during the Saving Private Gaara arc how excellent Sakura had already become in medical jutsu. There's no way she would even have had time to learn any high level jutsu outside of that field. What would she have used genjutsu for? As a cheap anesthetic?
She's referrec as a potentially good genjutsu user because she is resistant to it, herself, and can easily dispel it. So she supposedly has some natural talent.
I don't know if she would've have been able to learn genjutsu, I would think that since it is a time skip, time itself is irrelevant. Sakura has always been boasted as a genjutsu type not just being resistant to it Kakashi specifically said that she would only be able to surpass Tsunade because of her ability to use genjutsu, and since she is so highly talented I would think that it would've been easy for her. I don't really care about Sakura she served no purpose in the original anime and if it wasn't for that first arc in Shippuden I would say that she is still serves no purpose.I mean you would think with all the character development that is going on now and every ninja and their momma pulling out some new jutsu that Kishi would have let her learn genjutsu during the time skip. That was a missed opportunity in my opinion, all she is now is a Tsunade clone, but he never cared about Sakura anyway.
Medical ninja are only background characters anyway, their only purpose is to heal the injured and according to Tsunade she is not even suppose to engage the enemy. Not that being a medical ninja isn't a wonderful accomplish especially to be on that level at her age, but medical ninja are more or less just support ninja. Her presence will of course affect the outcome of any battle but as far as one on one combat goes Sakura isn't much of a threat, yet.
I'm unfairly comparing her to Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi of course but that is her squad so those are the ninja she has to be able to keep pace with.
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You know things aren't going well anymore when you quote yourself and reply to that quote as if replying to somebody else's post...
Actually the quote was a response to your post, but since you had obviously already read it I felt like I needed to elaborate.I don't really care about Sakura I just felt that she could have learnt genjutsu during the time skip since they were hinting at it from the very beginning and it would have been a nice way for her to distinguish herself from Tsunade.
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I don't think Kishimoto wants to distinguish her from Tsunade. The 3 members of team 7 are the second coming of the Sannin, so Sakura will be just like Tsunade. She'll start gambling and drinking heavily once she turns adult. Naruto is a clone of Jiraiya, so he'll become a perv sooner or later, and Sasuke is Orochimaru reborn, so he'll be into yaoi too.
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well it was said that naruto took the likeness of the fourth and that he and the fourth share alot of the same qualities and everyone respects and honors the fourth.... So a change ion his character should be expected but he is still young foolish and harded as ever so... his childishness is to be expected... Just like Lee's but everyone else is kinda weird. I have never know Shino to the the sulky type I think that takes
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Thats just it although, team & is supposed to be the second coming of the Sannin none of them resemble the Sannin personality wise. It is pretty obvious that Naruto is going to be just like the fourth and Sasuke is becoming more like Itachi. Never mind I just got an answer, Sasuke's goal is to surpass Itachi and Naruto's goal is to surpass the fourth and Sakura is just along for the ride, since she doesn't have any one she wants to surpass or any goals beyond Sasuke's return I guess she is just like Tsunade. I always got the feeling she is only as strong as she is because she was always competing with Orochimaru and Jiraiya, if not for them I think she would have turned out a lot like Shikamaru because she is a lazy slacker.
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Naruto is hyperactive, a bad student, and perverted, just like Jiraiya.
Sasuke is a loner who leaves the group and village, with a tendency to follow his own ambitions ignoring the well-being of others.
I agree that there's less of a connection between Sakura and Tsunade, but after the time jump, I think they helped to reinforce the similarities - at least in terms of their skills.
But yeah, most of Kishimoto's female characters are indeed just "along for the ride."
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I know about Naruto and Sasuke and their similarities with the Sannin, I'm just saying there aren't many beyond the fact that they were each trained by one of them. Sasuke was a lot like Orochimaru but the only thing they had in common was that they both wanted power and cared about that more than anything else, the same could be said about Itachi. Being hyperactive, a pervert and a bad student is really much because the same could be said about konohamaru and if you leave out the perverted part even Kiba could fit that description.
Anyway everyone could have a few things in common with someone else, I just don't like cloned characters but Naruto and Sasuke have definitely distinguished themselves from their Sannin counterparts and nobody cares about Sakura anyway. Kishi should really develop some strong female characters though, the only one he has is Tsunade. Spoiler Removed and I thought we were going to see something from Temari but that didn't happen and it doesn't look like he is going to do much with Sakura either.
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I was unaware of this as well. I guess I really was just on autopilot that week.
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Shadow Clone is suppose to be a sealed technique. Not everyone knows it. The only ones I've seen use it are Kakashi and the Third.
Tell that to Sasori.
As for Tsunade being a lazy bum, we've never been shown her like that when she was young. I had a feeling that she became a gambling addict, as well as quite unproductive after her lover died.
There wasn't any real reason for Sakura to learn any genjitsu over time. She specifically said she wanted to be a medical ninja just like Tsunade. As for as medical ninja skills used in battle, they develop outstanding chakra control (or perhaps they have that to start with, but it sharpens the skill nevertheless). This can manifest itself as superstrength in Tsunade's/Sakura's case, or in Kabuto's case, maintaining a sharp "scalpel".
Who's saying Naruto is perverted. Sure, he makes some perverted techniques, but his reason for doing so is that it takes out the enemy (men, in this case. Perverted men.) He himself doesn't go crazy or anything, and doesn't even enjoy books like Makeout Paradise. You can't really call that perverted can you?
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