We're used to Naruto's childish antics and it was part of what made the show enjoyable when he was a kid. Now that he's grown up, it's annoying when he acts like a dumb kid. I wonder if the time-skip was a mistake. It would be like Bart and Lisa growing up on the Simpsons. What do you all think?
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
I don't honestly know what to think. I fully expected Naruto's character to change somewhat. However, it doesn't really seem like anybody in the series changed at all (except outwardly).
I guess I just have to accept it. The jump seems to have happened purely for plot reasons, not for developing the characters.
As far as I can tell, Naruto is still the number one noisy ninja at surprising people.
I can only find it a positive change of things. I mean I hate kids. I really, really hate them. And then you put someone like Naruto into that equation. Its not a pretty sight trust me. Now? He's a bit more grown and less annoying so I cant find that negative.
I didn't expect see that much of a difference between the 12 and 15 year old versions of the characters anyway. All the kids I've known as they grew from 12 to 15 didn't change all that much in maturity level as the time passed. They improved their ability to think and process information but they still hadn't learned when, where, or how to apply their improving faculties effectively, basically they didn't learn self-discipline. It's not really a surprise that grown up Naruto, while seemingly a bit more capable of learning new advanced techniques, is still a child when it comes to decision making, planning, and general behavior. He got older, he didn't 'grow up'.
I have to agree with Yukimura 'The Mind Reader', kids don't change much between the ages of 12 and 15, but it was an improvement because I had a major problem with prepubescent ninja it just doesn't sound or look right.Originally Posted by Yukimura
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It didn't hurt the series, the animation did, the filler, and the useless dialogue, all hurt the series.
How can there ever be a conclusion to the series if they never grow up?
Did you expect Naruto to become Hokage at age 13?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
How will Dexter ever rule the world if he never grows up? How will Lisa Simpson become president if she never grows up? Fact of the matter is, Growing Pains stopped being popular once the kids all grew up.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
I think the change certainly helps overall. The thing is you can't really age characters without a time skip except maybe having them get a new piece of clothing. Its just to hard to have them gradually grow. Naruto went 220 episodes with very minor changes to the characters despite us seeing them young and being the main ninja's were in there growing years its not like say one piece where 20-30 people don't really look that different. I would be happy if we had some more character aging if Naruto goes long enough ro see the ninja's into their 20's or so.
I fail to see how a story-telling anime series can be compared to comedy cartoons and sitcoms.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
All those shows were telling a story as much as Naruto, just not in a linear fashion. Proper chronology was observed as well, such as when Maude Flanders dies, the episodes after did not include her.
I'd have preferred they told the entire story of Naruto and the Leaf Village when they were a certain age. Or if they had to make them grow up, then either make them act their age, or introduce new young goofball characters to keep the humor. I guess they sort of did that with Konohamaru, but it was a poor substitute for 12 yr old Naruto's antics.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
I'm with this guy.
I never felt that Naruto's childing antics were what made the show enjoyable. In fact, its one of the show's biggest detriments.
Comparing Naruto to Simpsons is ridiculous also. For every "Maude Flanders" example of continuity, there's a half dozen times where they ignore events of previous episodes.
You do realize Maude died because her voice actor wanted to get off the show, right? They kind of HAD to do something with detrimental changes. However despite over a dozen seasons, I can probably list the number of times something resembling a plot transition occured in the Simpsons on one hand.
Changes in your examples only occured for the following reasons: Actors physically getting older, people leaving or entering contracts, and "jumping shark" techniques to dramatically re-vamp an otherwise stale show.
The vast majority of anime strive for plot progression though, this is why a story in an anime series usually spans over the course of arcs, or the entire series as a whole, as opposed to just isolated 25 minute segments.
These are very fundamental differences. If you can't comprehend this, then good luck with your ambition to understanding japanese art and culture.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
His childish bravado and fearlessness made the character likable to me. I remember how petulant and wild he was, smiling and giving the thumbs when everyone else was feeling unsure. Like in the Chuunin exams, when faced with all of their competition, he claims he'll beat them all to become hokage. Now that he's older, it's ridiculous when he makes these brazen claims, or when he screams at an enemy that he won't forgive him.\
Same with Sasuke. Before he was a tormented kid who just wanted his mommy and daddy. Now he's an emo teen who wears mascara. And look at Konohamaru. He used to be adorable, now he's just an obnoxious Naruto-clone.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
That wasn't because Naruto was childish that just because he is stupid, he is the same way now, telling Kakashi that he could take out Deidara all by himself is incredibly naοve and that doesn't change with age only experience. You would think that he has gone through enough traumatic experiences to actually know his limitations but obviously he hasn't thought he seems to be learning slowly.
I don't know what your problem with Sasuke is and Konohamaru is definitely going to be Naruto's replacement but he is growing up much faster and seems to have better instincts and he can definitely read people better than Naruto can, I would expect him to turn out a lot like Asuma.
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i think the time skip might have been partly a ploy to jump to this important time period and to also give some characters some much needed ability (Sakura comes to mind).
but, mentally, I haven't seen much progress with the characters personalities and minds. The amount of sheer force tactics going on is still absurd. "I'll just use my ultimate attack!"
But i don't think it's hurt the series. It's nice for characters like Sakura, who was essentially useless when she was younger. I mean, sure, learning high level medical jutsu in two and a half years' time... Can you imagine if med school was that quick? We haven't really seen much new from anyone outside of Kakashi, so...
edit - I can't believe it, but I agree with DDBen and Idealistic about what has really hurt this show.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
I think you're right, the plot definitely hit a wall at the end of the Sasuke Retrieval Arc and the time skip was a great way to avoid having to go through the usual menial character development arcs that usually never truly explain how characters become exponentially stronger in such a short period of time.
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There's not actually anything absurd about that. The simpler the plan (attack) the better the chances of nothing going wrong, provided you have enough power for a direct attack - thus the ultimate attack. The old way of starting slowly is the absurd way. In reality you attack with enough force to get the job done as swiftly as possible, not by trying progressively stronger and stronger attacks until one party runs out of a stronger attack and loses. That's nothing but madness like 300 taught us.
Still, even if I said that, I wouldn't mind more complicated fights... >_>
Starting out a battle slowly and using progressively stronger attacks is a good way to feel out what "level" your opponent is at and works well in Naruto and its a good way to win a battle without having to show your trump card, its give and take and requires a lot of patience like a chess game. On the other hand once you already know what level your opponent is at and you know their abilities you can easily defeat them by using a move you know they will not be able to defend but going on an all out attack from the very begining especially against an unfamiliar opponent is bad strategy and often gives them unwarranted opportunities.
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