Ep 04 by Nyo~Zeon
Yep, they teamed up with Deacon for the TL check.
I wonder did Taribia's minister planned for Gundam attack or was it just outcome of result to improve relationship with Union?
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na... he was suprised. his plan was to have celestial Beings defending him. that he would get american support might have been plan B thoOriginally Posted by Death13a
Good episode, liked the action. The orange mobile suits that Taribia reminded me of Taurus from Gundam Wing. Only part I didnt like was how short the fight between and Gram and Setsuna was.
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Finally caught up with this show. I'll just rant in here instead of ranting a smalla amount in every episode thread...
To me all the characters are still very boring and flat, There is absolutely nothing interesting about any character, exept the Union Ace pilot flying that Flag suit, Graham was his name right?
He seems to have potential to become interesting, the rest just looks way to weird for my taste and their names suck big time. Why can't they design the characters a bit more normal looking? It feels like they try to hard with the main characters to make them look interesting and have interesting names. This just makes the supporting cast all that more interesting.
On the mobile suits, i think that it's great that all the suits doesn't look super high tech. This will hopefully prevent a SEED type effect at the end when everybody had colorful beam weaponry and the war more or less looked like a candystore not a battlefield. The fight between Setsuna and Graham in his custom Flag showed that the three major powers probably got enough technology to seriously challenge the Gundams, which is a good thing.
Lastly, the best designs is Kyrios and the Flag. Kyrios got the awesome mobile armor transformation thing and an incredible beam rifle. The Flag is just Evil looking, awesome...
Echoing PSJ's sentiments I've noticed the most interesting characters in the show are non-Gundam pilots, perhaps with the exception of Allelujah since he's always so emo.
I'm quite interested in that random megane character that was talking with Relena 2 about the situation and how it relates to their country (let's call it the Sanc Kingdom). She seems to have a good head on her shoulders and has a snappy and rough attitude to counter-balance Relena 2's sappy idealism. I assume the story of that country will eventually become central to the story so I suspect we'll see more of her as Relena 2's advisor.
Graham Acre put in another good showing, and at this point he has made Setsuna look like a complete wuss. One of the best things I see in this series is that they are playing up the fact that it's totally the Gundams that give the pilots their huge advantage over the regular militaries of the world and none of the pilots are at an ungodly skill level. I feel much more confident in the capabilities of the true military officers like Acre and the HRL Colonel than I do in any of the Gundam Meisters', which is how it would be realistically.
It's somewhat sad that 00 is supposed to be something new and different yet it feels like Wing SEED, however I'd rather have upgrades and tweaks to something I liked then something completely different that sucked.
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can anyone comment on whether or not this latest release is bettter, now that Nyoro teamed up with ZC? I was going to wait for the Mendoi Conclave joint, but my patience is thin and if it seems like they're getting their shit together, I'd like to check it out...
i'll bet that right as I'm about to watch the Nyoro episode the Mendoi sub will come out...
edit - so i got super confused in the first scene after the OP (with the two chicks discussing the country's resources) and went to Nyoro and ZC's IRC channels. Currently I'm watching them go back and forth about what the people actually said and if they mean "zero natural resources left on Earth" in the intro or if there are still some and...
...and, needless to say, if the fansubbers can't come to an agreement on what the lines mean, even AFTER RELEASING THE EPISODE, I don't think I'm going to even bother with them in the future.
Plus their font is ugly.
edit again - as predicted, mendoi / conclave's:
Mendoi - Conclave -- Gundam 00 -- Episode 4 --mkv
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Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
At last something that could fight a Gundam enough that a meister actually had to follow orders and just head straight for the safe location instead of remaining to have a dance in the air. Now all we need is a plot to ensnare a Gundam into a situation where there's no other choice but to fight. Then we would see ass kicking.
Maybe the HRL will also have a more agile mobile suit to offer to the enhanced soldier than just one of those clumsy low tech hulks.
Also, it will start to bother me before the end if the only role AEU had in this was to get a bunch of mechas destroyed in the first episode... (Although I'm not saying that wouldn't be realistic if assumed things haven't changed that much from our days.)
Since the AEU got their top of the line suit destroyed i'm sure that they will come up with something to challenge these gundam fucks. I also think that the only thing that makes the gundam pilots better are the superior suits. I mean when they fight those grunt suits its like going up against a paintball gun with a cannon, it's simply not fun since the outcome is clear.
The HRL colonel did a great job though, i have started to like him and Graham Acre the most. Lockon would be cool if he didn't have such a ridicolous name. And i have to disagree on Allelujah being pretty interesting, at least this far. Setsuna feels like a slightly altered copy of Shinn, just downsized on the depressive psycho tendencies. The purple haired guy is just too boring i don't even remember his name. I really hope that they start digging in these characters past real soon.
One more thing i detest is that the gundams always looks the same, especially the main chars gundam, the exia is so fucking boring it almost hurts to watch sometimes. I mean have some courage with the design, Kyrios got awesome design, when was the last time a suit was orange?
I have to disagree with the SEED and WING comparasions to. It isn't some angsty brats who get new toys like the begining of SEED and it isn't some teenage warmasters who rule a thousand suits at once with their eyes closed like in WING. The one thing that caught my eye was when Celestial Being announced that they will stop fighting with fighting and Graham sort of said "Yea like that's gonna work.. Idiots." There hasn't been anyone that i know of in any previous gundam show that has said words like that. The "evil" people have all been crazy powerhungry idiots in, especially SEED, where you had guys like Patrick Zala and Azriel.
One final note. I hope this show turns out into something good after this start, just even out the playing field between the gundams and the opposing forces and put some meat on those main chars bones and it will be pretty awesome. That's my prediction.
America peacefully monopolizing their world... sounds familiar.
Graham's flag is the bomb. It most resembles Kyrios. Even their fighting style's similar, but then the suite pretty much determines how best to fight. Wonder how effective that anti-beam coating is. Should deflect normal shots at a good angle, but it'd be interesting to see how it does against Dynames's sniping, or Exia's beam saber.(if Graham's up for it, he can give Virtue's cannon a try).
AEU hasn't taken any action yet...That pilot from the first ep better not be their ace, it'd suck compared to all the other talents the HRL and Union have. HRL's suites seem quite primative compared to the other powers. Their quantity may make up for the lack of quality, but it won't work in the long run.
So suites these days can't go for a dip yet. The limiting factor will be their use of jet/rocket propulsion. Unless they fix this up, the Gundams will have very handy escape routes.
i wanna say that this show has alot of potential. If a small resource rich country grudingly aligned with the former U.S. dictatorship can come up with a plan that makes people seriously think the Gundams are gonna help them, and then celestial being goes and marks a great tactical victory by destroying those troops... that's some pretty good political and military intrigue, in the fourth episode
i mean, it is not a small deal that Celestial Being just DECIDED that the seceding country simply was a bunch of warmongers and deserved to have their armed forces attacked, even though the much bigger superpowers who they haven't even attacked is sitting by with their carriers in NO defensive positioning at all... Seriously, CB loses strategy points on this episode like woah.
I really like the American president in this show, which is hilarious, specially considering I hate the real current one...
Graham Acre = Best character so far. No question.
Setsuna's "daydream" reminded me of a certain Terminator 2 scene... kid needs serious padded walls...
I still hate Hallyelujah, but am more an more down with the "parralels" they are so not subtly drawing between current political and military affairs and the premise of the show.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
It was obvious nobody in the Union could leave some unstable warmonger country to run free so close to the space elevator / solar power cable. That's why the US wasn't the actual offender in this conflict. Also, the USA didn't yet even have time to attack at all so who knows how the situation would have developed in the absence of the CB.
And what exactly is a defensive positioning of mobile suit carriers and the accomppanying escorts? They were pretty close to the enemy state so most likely their positioning was already as defensive as it could have been.
I saw the CB's actions as preventing a war from starting. Their stated mission is to eliminate war, not save the weak or rescue the oppressed. If they had done nothing the Union would have likely attacked that little country and there would have been a war, instead CB attacked and destroyed much of the little country's fighting potential, forcing them to negotiate. The end result is that the Union gets back what it lost without firing a shot and no one but CB got any blood on their hands.
The thing the show seems to like ignoring is that even without a high tech military the little country's people probably still don't like the Union and a portion of them would be likely just resort to terrorism style tactics instead of overt military action if this situation were to occur in real life.
But guys, if a nation is like "um, we'd like to be independent so we can address our people's needs better than the governing superpower does" is that really a thing CB should go in and crush? Who are they to decide that a nation should or shoudn't be independent?
In this case, the Gundams attacked the little country because the guy came out and said, "We're going to defend ourselves with military power!" Naturally he thought CB operated under the "protect the weak" pretense (shows he wasn't paying attention to what happened in the Sri Lanka episode...), and got snuffed because he was going on the offensive.
What happens when a nation goes "um, we'd like to be independent so.... but we don't have a military..." ??? Will CB step in and defend them, or just let the superpower come in and massacre them to put them into place? Hell, even if a superpower simply threatens the nation into rejoining them by lining up their military on the border, doesn't that count as violent coercion?
Again, it works out in this case, but if the same nation hadn't had its own military, would CB allow the Union to take them over simply because they're close to the elevator? If anything, the Union was the one who built the elevator near that country, encroaching on their territory.
Well, I was speaking in regards to the Gundams. The Excia literally flew right up and through the Union fleet, and could have fucked them pretty bad. It was obvious that the rebels were focused on defending their country; they had no other choice considering their relatively weaker numbers and the fact that they had to protect vital sites. It's not like the rebels were going to launch a sortie off their coast against the massive Union force... In such a case, the only people the Union needs to defend against are the Gundams.
Considering the Gundams were recently active in other places, the one place you wouldn't expect them to attack from would be from the rebelling country, which is exactly where all the Union attention was on. They already know that the Gundams jam shit, but dispersing scouts into their surroundings who could shoot off a visible signal (light beams or flares) and having a flexible fleet formation which could be repositioned fairly quickly against the eventually ariving Gundams (a problem if all 4 come from all different directions though...), plus a few MS continually on guard at least near the commanding flagship... well, that's what I'd have hoped my military would do... Certainly not let a freaking Gundam sneak up right behind them, dart through them with all sorts of chance to take out the commanders on the flagship, and not meet an iota of resistance...
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
As long as they weren't going to attack the CB first it makes no difference, though. Since the carriers and escorts launched no AA missiles and used no point defence guns, it's pretty obvious their doctrine said not to attack first. It could have certainly turned out a costly decision, but as we saw, it paid off really well in the end.
So, with such a decision in place, their formation was just fine considering the Gundams.
Another explanation could be that the Union fleet was given orders to simply report Gundam spotings and and let Graham's unit deal with them. Graham's boss told him to capture a Gundam not destroy them all so it would make sense that the fleets would have been ordered not to simply attack all Gundams on sight.
I think both sides' attitudes were like: Okay, this is the situation, us, the US (maybe Union would have been a better choice of words), will deploy troops to country X. X will fight for independence. What will CB do? let's wait and see.
"Country X" seemed more like they depended on CB to defend them as they were so suprised when CB attacked them instead of the Union. The easier choice was to defeat Country X's forces instead of Unions so it made sense that CB took them out.
I don't think the Union fleet was told to just stay put, that just seems to stupid. They have no idea what CB is going to do, they are completly unpredictable this far and if they had the Union fleet as their target they would have ended it before the fleet could say "what happened?". The normal thing to do here is keep an eye out for the gundams and take defense positions against them as soon as they are spotted. Since "Country X"(forgot the name) weren't going to leave their home turf to attack a larger fleet the Union had all the time they needed to keep a lookout for the gundams but they didn't. Something was flawed in their plan. I would never sit idle and let a potential enemy sneak up behind my back before i could notice it, especially not such a strong enemy.
Also letting Graham take care of the gundams is also a bit weak, the gundams would have more than enough time to destroy the entire fleet before Graham and his boys got off their ass to do something seeing as the Union didn't bother to keep an eye out for the gundams. "Hey they arrrrrgh!!!" Something like that would probably be the message to Graham.
The thing is though, that even if CB wants to prevent war they just make themselves the target and this results in that HRL, AEU and the Union tries to obtain high tech warequipment to defeat CB and this results in more money to weapon research and production which means less money for the people in the countries.We have to assume that CB wants to save these innocent people but their logic just makes it harder on the people.
I don't know why you would think that way. Even today the US (AEGIS) cruisers should have an automated point defence, so it makes no sense whatsoever in the future such a thing wouldn't exist. The only explanation why the fleet didn't attack the Gundam flying by was that they didn't want to attack the CB first. If they had wanted to attack, they would have. They certainly had plenty of time.
That's exactly what i mean, how can they allow the Gundam to just fly by? They have no idea what CB is planning and they just "oh well lets see if he attacks when he gets closer, maybe we can do something about it when he is in our face". They didn't move an inch when the gundams appeared and that seems weird to me. At least take some kind of Defensive position if they noticed the gundams early like you said they should have done.
No matter how i look at it i can't find anything that justifies their actions. The same goes for Taribia's forces, when the first one got shot down they just sat their like pigs waiting to be slaughtered. Are all the military commanders idiots? Sure the gundams are strong and has superior fighting ability but i would at least try doing something, wouldn't you?
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