Yeah, Ken is now officially my favorite summon. Low self-esteem frogs ftw.
As for the chapter, not bad I guess. I dunno... I was expecting a different style other than summon vs summon, but eh, whatever. I'm not sure if I'll like Jiraiya's new form either, but I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
I was trying to figure out what was going on in most of the chapter. Not used to watching fights in a manga yet.
Just the fact that Jiraya has lasted this long could mean that Pain's powers are overrated, at least the way he refers to himself. A God would have just done away with the lowly human intruder you'd think. But it could also have something to do with why Pain isn't using any jutsus.
I hope we get to see this sixth element, unless that was a typo mistake in the manga.
Jiraya going all out isn't the greatest of signs for his survival though. But I hope we get to see both some hermit mode and rinnegan in the next chapter.
The battle has just begun so i don't think any significant amount of time has passed because everything before this was mostly dialogue though and it is very difficult to tell how much time has passed in a manga.
Jiraiya been pushed so far by just summons says alot about Pein, I think everyone seems to be forgetting who Jiraiya is I mean this is the man who taught Pein, Minato and Naruto and is arguably the strongest of the Sannin the fact he has been on the defensive throughout this battle shows you just how strong Pein is. I can't think of any none Akatsuki member who would stand a chance against Pein the way he has fought so far.
I was wondering if the mentioning of the sixth element was a typo also but I doubt they would let something so crucial slip. Looking forward to see just what Jiraiya's true power is and what this hermit mode can do, not too interested in the rinnegan but want to see Pein use some jutsu other than summoning.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Well Naruto has always felt more like a rock-paper-scissors system, even more so now with the inclusion of elemental weaknesses and strengths.
An invaluable point.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Wow, Jiraiya is really pulling out all the stops in this battle. IMO this is the first time that Jiraiya is really showing why hes one of the sannin. Also im pretty sure there are only 5 different elemental types (fire, earth, water, wind, lightning). I think I remember them saying that you can make other elements by combining 2 of the main ones together, but I'm not sure.
haha Jiraiya summoning another Hermit.. omg its getting better and better..
and i just love reading here
You can't compare Bush to Hitler cause Bush is the village idiot and Hitler was border line genius, unfortunately he was border line insane also, so sad such a mind went to waste.
The way he's fought so far is to hide himself and use giant summons to attack. Sasuke has already shown that the Sharingan can be used to confuse or even control the most powerful of summons, and I suspect given enough time any elite ninja can find where another is hiding. From only what we've seen I can't imagine Itachi would be having much trouble at this point, assuming he has as powerful a hypnotic eye as Sasuke. This is not to say that Pein couldn't wipe the floor with Itachi but that he has not shown anything in the curent fight that makes him stand out against the current leader in terms of specialness, the Sharingan. Until we get a detailed Rin'negan explanation and application I don't think anything Pein will do will seem more impressive than or not defeatable by the Sharingan.Originally Posted by Abdula
Huh? I think you're countering my point...but I'm not sure....anyway assuming you did...
It's pretty clear that each heart represents a different element, because when they manifest into their own distinct forms, each form uses a unique element. Also I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated in that arc, since that was the same arc that introduced elemental affinities.
@mr3vi1m0nk3y: Correct. Ice jutsus are water + wind and wood jutsus are water + earth.
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I read this a bit differently though. Since Kakuzu stole the hearts which would allow him to use all five elements, he was capable of using them. However, he didn't personally master each of them, he found a suitable workaround solution. So, the fact that Pein mastered all five (and perhaps a secret sixth) elements just shows how insanely powerful he is. Also, the scope of this fight so far, and the revelation that Pein isn't even using his specialty is wild.
Jiraiya is definitely pulling out all the stops now. Nobody has yet commented on how funny the hermit summon "scene" was, so I will. The hermit summon "scene" was pretty funny.
How's this different from my argument?
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If the last element happens to be heart, and Pein doesn't turn out to be Captain Planet, I'll be very disappointed.
the last element has something to do with yin or yang nature. yamato mentioned it in nauto's fuuton rasengan training session right after showing off and making that waterfall... i would be surprised if they held out on going into detail about that beyond this, especially at the mention of the 6th element.
Anyone notice that the Frog on Jiraiya's left has a little resemblence to the third?
Pointy hokage hat, and beard. Maybe tribute to his sensei?
Obviously not saying it is him, but thought it was interesting.
I cant wait till next week to see what these guys can do. Thank god naruto is still sick, bleach is slipping.
we need someone to make sure thats not a typo or something. lol, it'd suck to make all these theories and get pumped for a simple typo. But if there is another element, my money's on shadow.
by the way, All peins summons have rinnegan.
conquista,
i thought his hermit summon looked like the third also... im sure im not the only person who was a little confused by jiraiya summoning 'another hermit'
I'm sorry. I should have quoted a different response. I don't even remember what I was disagreeing with anymore.
I was thinking that maybe Nagato's 6th element might be a combination of all 5 known elements. Imagine: if a bloodline user is able to combine two separate elements to create a new one, what would be the ultimate combination of all 5? An unbeatable element, right? Since it contains every elements' strengths and weaknesses? That probably isn't it, but I'll throw the idea out there for fun.
This conversation reminds me of a complaint I had back in the element explanation chapter. Remember how Naruto asks how ice and wood elements exist, and how Kakashi explained that they were the result of a bloodline's ability to use two at once? Then Naruto asked how Shikamaru's non-bloodline shadow ability fits into elements, and Kakashi practically said, "I don't want to confuse you"? How fucking lazy was that of Kishimoto?
Nice chapter, man Jiraiya is cool!
Anyway, this chapter again gives me the feeling that Jiraiya isn't going to perish in this fight, he might be hurt, but I think he will make it back, not to sure on how the outcome's going to be. Although, I think both will leave alive.
Want to see this new form of Jiraiya's!
The last element will probably be shadow or something.
Somebody else said this same thing. If there's a shadow element, there must also be a light element. They can't keep tacking on extra elements every couple of chapters. They have to commit to a set of rules. Otherwise, it would be lame. One hidden element? Ok. Another hidden element? What the hell?
I think that is the most likely possibility as well. I remember when it was first mentioned I was thinking that this was a major development that would affect the way that future battles went much like the introduction of elemental strengths and weakness but it was passed over so quickly that I completely forgot about it. Now that its been reintroduced especially since it was explicitly stated that Minato sealed only the Kyuubi's yang chakra within Naruto and then there is the sudden and random mention of a sixth element, I think they must somehow be related because there is no such thing as a coincidence in Naruto.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
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