Well... Jiraiya trained and spent time with them.... Oro didn't.Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
We don't know how long Oro was in Akatsuki. Pain probably never showed himself until later after Oro left. Or maybe there's more to the story. Maybe Pain kicked him out? Or maybe Oro recognized him and decided to leave himself.
Was I the only one who noticed the resemblance between Jugo (of Hebi) and Yahiko (the light haired kid in the flashback)? I mean, it's entirely possible that Orochimaru stole him to use as the specimen for his cursed seals... even though he still looks pretty young.
And then maybe... just maybe... Pein was already in a stolen body, most likely the fourth's (putting his sealing technique with the nine-tailed fox aside), hence why he no longer had black hair? Then, when Deidara died, maybe he took over that body instead?
*shrug* Decent chapter I suppose.
I noticed the similarity, and I highly doubt this is the case. All little kids look alike. Plus, this wouldn't be the first time we saw a resemblance between two characters who turned out not to be related.
This is very improbable. The Yahiko kid looks enough like the original Pein body to be the one, so the idea of the Fourth being Pein is now no longer legit. Also, now that they've actually showed the full face and hairline of Pein's "Deidara-body", it no longer looks very similar to me. Pein may have multiple bodies, but why do they have to be ones we've seen before? They just introduced three characters never even hinted at before; it's more likely that they will do the same with all of these bodies.
I can see where you're coming from with the similarities of characters in Naruto, but these two just seem too similar to not be related.
As for the other stuff... yeah, it's speculation. We'll see what happens in the coming chapters.
Aside from the probable deduction that Pain (as Akatsuki Leader) is Yahiko's body with Nagato's eyes, I'm liking how we are all pretty confused at the moment.
I'm enjoying, in my speculation, that this is a new conflict that will we resolved sooner than later [at the least much sooner than the majority of sideplots that took forever to unravel]. Here's hoping for instant gratification.
here's an idea...
Payne is actually a parasite that infested the chunin who attacked them free, and when the chunin saw Nagato's eyes he transfered into him, later on, he goes into Yahiko and steals negato's eyes.
Konan finds out about it, but doesn't have the heart to kill Yahiko/Payne, so instead, she builds him the tubes that allow him to re-transfer between few bodies over and over again, so he can stay with her and Yahiko's body doesn't get destroyed...
yep, Gotwoot reading the same manga is totally cool...
Exacly what I was thinking. He probably took that (Yahiko) kid's body. Or the other way around, but I think it's probably Nagato.
[21:48] * DO furiously masturbates to #gotwoot
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Assuming he ever met Pein and Konan as Akatsuki members. It seems Akatsuki met infrequently, and only through their astral projections.
Yahiko must have died and Pain(Nagato) is using his body. The cover of the chapter looks like he's in Deidara's body at the moment.
I think Pain has bodies of his buddies who died, and then Pain goes and kills the people who killed his friends/members for vengeance... He's following Yahiko's dreams of making everyone feel the same pain.
So it's sort of like some spiritual thing where Pain being inside someone else's body is like "BITCH THIS IS WHAT so and so WENT THROUGH! NOW FEEL THE SAME!"
This is his so called judgement.
That does make sense, and i could see that happening..maybe it was the whole reason he formed the akatsuki.. to make other feels the pain that he and his friends and family went through...
So, the logic is you make others feel the pain, and some new kid has his parents killed and thinks "wait till I grow up and maim/torture/kill Pein's ass"?
Yahiko hated the rain and saw it as symptom of the Rain Village's weakness. You would think his intention is to end the rain. But we see Pain and he doesnt end the rain, but he manipulates and has complete control over it. He lets the rain perpetuate but on his and only his whim. He uses it to take on his God persona and control the minds and loyalty of the part of the Rain that is loyal to him.
I've noticed in this manga, the villain's goals are perversions of an originally good intentioned one and this seems to be the same case. The difference being usually a villain was once good, something happens, the villain takes on a slanted view of his situation and the world (the actual event of becoming a villain), then goes on acting out this messed up view without looking back.
I feel like this is the same thing with the added factor that the originally good person is Yahiko and the one who perverted Yahiko's goal and has a slanted view on the world is Nagato.
On a related note, I think the reason why Konnan doesnt affirm to Jiraiya both of them (or at least one) are dead on page 7 is because they are both alive in Pein's body.
Doubt it, as Pain is the only who probably thinks this way, which is why he is the villain.
You don't see Naruto or Sasuke wanting to cast judgement on the rest of the world.
You don't think the members know even each other's names? Kisame knew about the "zombie pair" Kakazu and Hidan, and Deidara knew all about Orochimaru, even though oro left the organization before he even joined. I don't think all those members would follow the orders of a leader whom they haven't even seen. Not to say that they know everything about Pein....I'm sure none of them knew he can switch bodies or anything... But Konan doesn't even try to hide her name nor identity...
as for Juugo / Yahiko....
How old is Juugo anyway? He might be a little too young to be Yahiko.
Also...there's no reason for him to have changed his name.
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Quite right. On the other hand, nobody seemed to know that the goofball Tobi was really an Uchiha, and is apparently leading the Akatsuki.
I definitely agree that Juugo and Yahiko look amazingly similar, but I don't see any connection between the two. Juugo is definitely young now, and Jiraiya must have been 30 years younger when he first met Yahiko. Oh well.
Why are these chapters being released so late these days? Does anybody know?
The scanlation, the raw themselves of the chapters in Japan? If it's for scanlation or raws they probably go hand in hand, as a couple of the raw scanlators got arrested awhile back I believe.
Might be some sort of clone, I mean is it that far off base? Yamato is a clone of the 1st. Could be that Oro saw the potential in him and then cloned him.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
If Oro cloned him, we would be able to see at least hints of connection between Yamato and Oro because Oro wouldnt clone him if it wasn't for his benefit (making a strong supporter for himself) And I dont know if you can clone a dead body because 1st hokage was dead by the time Oro grew up
A clone should still retain the abilities and bloodline power of the original, because it is pointless to clone a specific person then. And I really can't see any cursed seal genetics within the boy, implying that it is unlikely for them to be clones
people always try to make connections with some random person in this forum...i mean the appeareance is similiar but even so...
Do you mean between Yahiko (who we've never seen use any skills) instead of Yamato?
If you do mean Yamato then maybe you should reread the chapters where Oro frst encounters Yamato and remarks on how he thought all the subjects of "that experiment " had died. Oro cloned (or spliced) the genetics of the 1st into people somehow but apparently the process or results weren't to his liking so he trashed the project. Yamato survived, grew up and demonstrated similar abilities to the 1st.
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