Not nearly convincing enough.Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
Not nearly convincing enough.
I think it was said that Itachi using Tsukoyomi twice and Amatasaru(or however you spell them) took a big toll on his eyes.
Possibly, Deidara made a replacement way back before. On second thought, 1 handed jutsus are possible (Haku) and we know that Deidara is more of a item-user rather than a jutsu-user.
The reason Kakashi got Deidara at first with his MS was because Deidara had no clue about what was going on or what he should do...after the 1st attack, he had some clue that something was sucking his body in so he started moving.
Why is it so hard to believe that Sharingan can perform dou jutsus other than illusions and genjutus? As someone said before, Itachi's black flame was a non-genjutsu dou jutsu. It is one of the strongest moves we've seen in the series so far. It can distort dimensions and seriously mess up people mentally if you look into the eye. This is why the bloodline eye clans were so secretly guarded and powerful in status and strength. Thus, I can see why it is so overpowered
And as someone else mentioned about Gai team unable to take out Deidara with a single kunai in his mouth, I believe that part is really unrealistic too. Gai, no even Lee himself should be able to beat down Deidara with brute taijutsu when he doesnt have any arms. Speed-wise, I am sure Lee is faster too.
Even though Naruto bitched at Chiyo which I agree is disrespectful, Naruto does have some truth in his speech because Chiyo and the sand shinobis of her generation did cause alot of trouble to Gaara by placing the monster inside of him.
Agree to disagree then.
man i felt sooo sorry for Deidara, still fighting even with no arms. i would have loved to see a strategic battle between Deidara and Naruto+Kakashi in the forest. that would have been awsome.
MS isn't just genjutsu. Itachi used MS to blast a hole through Jiraiya's toad trap way back, leaving those black flames behind....remember?
God damn....you seriously have to say this like.....every fuckin week -_-
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I don't even know what to say anymore. This fight had great potential and there were so many moments that should have been filled with tension/anticipation/suspense, but they just weren't. Kicking it off with a recap of the clone fight was just a bad mood setter to begin with. I'm sure no ones eyes or ears had yet forgotten the pain inflicted upon them by that episode so there was really no need to remind us
That aside the unveiling of Kakashi's new MS power should have been an awesome moment and in some way's it was. I'll admit seeing Deidara's arm get torn off by it was cool, however the whole thing was severely dulled by the bad special effect they used for it and the fact that they spent about 1/4 of this hour long double episode making us stare at either the bad special effect or kakashi's eye. There should have been more action, more animation of Deidara desperately trying to evade and Kakashi trying to get into position and focus.
Then we have the "fox cloak" moment. This is the first time we've seen Naruto go that berserk since the fight with Sasuke, and this time he's apparently releasing even more of the Fox's chakra yet the whole thing was 100X less impressive. We get one pitiful lunge punch at Kakashi then he effortlessly runs up to naruto and slaps a post-it note on his forehead after saying "i'll have to be really careful". There should have been a whole sequence there of Kakashi trying to evade Naruto's attacks while trying to get that seal on.
The whole thing was just very anticlimactic. It wasn't necessarily a bad episode, it just wasn't a good one either. As far as story is concerned the show is still good, but the execution/presentation is just poor. Where the show should have been amazing, it was instead simply mediocre.
Shippuuden debuted February 2nd, 2007. Here we are, October 1st and were STILL in the same arc? 8 months...wow.
I hope Kakashi says "i'm going to send you to the next dimension!" next time he uses his eye thingy.
Come on, sucking things to other dimensions is pretty out there, even for the Naruto universe.
Where does those building sized summoned frogs, snakes, snails and other beasts come from? I always thought it was other dimension(s). It seems somewhat unlikely they normally live in the very same world as all the humans. So, if my theory here is correct, then sending people (or parts of them) forcibly to other dimensions isn't actually out there at all.
Its just one season... what did you expect?
And remember... Chuunin Exams arc took over 60+ eps.
And also add all those no-episode week... like the current two weeks.
The chuunin exams story was essentially two arcs the first two exams plus the elimination tournament (20-51), then Naruto's training with Jiraiya, the finals tournament, and the attack on the village (52-79).
Instead of weeks it's probably more accurate to look at episodes and chapters. I'm not sure how long the Chuunin Exams took in the manga, but to date Shippuuden has covered only 2 more chapters than it has had episodes numbers. That means on average each episode contains one 60th more plot than a manga chapter stretched for about 2-3 times as long as it takes to carefully read a chapter.
Put back into weeks, there have been 34 Thursdays since Naruto Shippuuden first aired (2-15-07). If one assumes a manga chapter came out every week then the manga advanced the plot to the same point as the anime in 2 fewer weeks. If you look at it this way I can't really see how it's not atrocious.
Last edited by Yukimura; Sat, 10-06-2007 at 04:20 PM.
Was about to post a similar rundown and then I scrolled own a little bit and see that you already did it... only thing you left out was a little bit of a more direct comparison to the original naruto.
Original Naruto normally used 2 chapters (sometimes 3 to a episode) you can see a comparison at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Naruto_story_arcs I cannot find the original comparison I found a long time ago (I used it to figure out how far the manga would have to get inhead of the cartoon to allow 2 seasons without catching up)
This list instead of making a per episode comparison .. just compares the arcs, it does a good enough job to see the point tho.
as Yukimura said
Its hard to draw a direct comparison between the manga and the episodes though; as a general rule of thumb a more detailed manga usually translates into less airtime (i.e. detailed fights which span 2-3 episodes in the show were usually 2-3 times the length of manga issues).
The chapters in the manga even go slower at this point... so they took chapters which didn't cover a lot of information, and spread them out roughly 1/2 the speed of original naruto.... yeah Shipuuden is movin' along at the blazing speed of a love child of a Sloth and a Snail.
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So... my friend told me about this episode a few days ago, and he was like, "Wow... Naruto has really gone down the shitter. I couldn't believe what I was seeing." Now, after watching one-third of the episode (skipping through pointless plot parts, since I read the manga) I have to agree 100%. I actually think Shippuden is equally as bad as the fillers... because seriously, manga readers are starting to realize how much they're butchering it.
Let's begin with Deidara. To start, Kakashi used MS not once, not twice, BUT THREE TIMES against him. Correct me if I'm wrong... but in the manga, uh, didn't he only use it once before passing out? Plus... it wasn't a black hole, it was more like an explosion. And in the manga... geeze, it didn't blow off BOTH of his arms, did it?
Then they made Team Gai look like a bunch of pansies, despite having two Jounins and two Chuunins in their team. And then... oh god, I couldn't believe it, Deidara pulled a suicide bomber and then his explosion was absorbed in the MS.
I stopped watching right there. Can't believe this... after all the wait for Shippuden, not only do they drag episodes on forever, they add plot hole fillers as well.
It didn't blow off both his arms in the anime, he only had one at the start of the fight. He lost the other when he fought Gaara.
Let's begin with your second paragraph. Yes you're wrong, in the manga Kakashi used MS twice....once on Deidara's arm and once on the explosion. Also neither the anime nor the manga had MS blow off both of his arms. Geez, there were even flashbacks in the ep where he lost an arm to Gaara.
As for the third paragraph, well....I already mentioned that Deidara did, in fact, suicide bomb and have his explosion absorbed in the MS in both the anime and manga. So believe it!
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I believe you have been reading another manga...
Dude... you need to re-read those chapters... and fast. Or at least watch Gaara vs Deidara.
The only thing so far Shippuden has 'created' has been the clone fights. Everything else is a mega stretch from the original.
Anyway... I guess people here would prefer Bleach style, where they use 4+ chapters per episode... or another 2 years of fillers.
Really... I still don't know what you guys are really expecting from this series... personally the only bad points I've seen are the clone fights which weren't done carefully.
If the anime is so bad... read the manga.
Who said they have to go into fillers? Why not take a break and air the next season a year later or something?
How come some animes don't go into fillers, but go by seasons?
A question I've asked myself countless times.
I guess it has to do with tv schedules, rating, the directing studio and all that crap.
Like you, I would have prefer Naruto to end after the Sasuke arc, and then re-start 3 to 4 years later.
Whoops, yeah, you guys were right. It's just been so long since I read this arc of the manga so... I guess I forgot most of it. Re-read now and it makes sense.
Forget what I said. Still, though, can't help but raise an eyebrow at the guy who said I was "as dumb as shit" and neg repped me... oh well.
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