Naruto Shippuuden Episode 29-30

**poopdeville** · Fri, 10-05-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Anyway... I guess people here would prefer Bleach style, where they use 4+ chapters per episode... or another 2 years of fillers.

Really... I still don't know what you guys are really expecting from this series... personally the only bad points I've seen are the clone fights which weren't done carefully.

Regarding Bleach-style: I'd say I'd prefer One Piece style, where they do an average of 1.3 chapters per episode, and occassionally take long breaks between arcs. Unfortunately, at one point, there was a fairly long arc and were fairly close to catching up to the manga, so they used some flashbacks to very early episodes to avoid ruining the momentum they built up. Also, they've had 3 filler arcs between arcs and maybe 20 filler episodes, usually at the transition between major arcs. Most importantly, their fillers don't suck. They aren't great, but they don't ruin the show (and the producers do a fairly good job of making it possible to skip fillers without losing continuity -- the Davy Back Fight and that Kamaitachi dude from the Apis arc showing up as the crew climbs Reverse Mountain are they only exceptions I can think of)

That could work for Shippuuden. They could go even faster, in fact -- the One Piece manga has a lot more talking than Naruto.

Bleh, I'm probably going to get some video editing software and cut out all the shit that wasn't in the manga. Maybe I'll talk to Dattebayo and see if they'll put it on their tracker too.

**animus** · Fri, 10-05-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by poopdeville

Regarding Bleach-style: I'd say I'd prefer One Piece style, where they do an average of 1.3 chapters per episode, and occassionally take long breaks between arcs. Unfortunately, at one point, there was a fairly long arc and were fairly close to catching up to the manga, so they used some flashbacks to very early episodes to avoid ruining the momentum they built up. Also, they've had 3 filler arcs between arcs and maybe 20 filler episodes, usually at the transition between major arcs. Most importantly, their fillers don't suck. They aren't great, but they don't ruin the show (and the producers do a fairly good job of making it possible to skip fillers without losing continuity -- the Davy Back Fight and that Kamaitachi dude from the Apis arc showing up as the crew climbs Reverse Mountain are they only exceptions I can think of)

That could work for Shippuuden. They could go even faster, in fact -- the One Piece manga has a lot more talking than Naruto.

Bleh, I'm probably going to get some video editing software and cut out all the shit that wasn't in the manga. Maybe I'll talk to Dattebayo and see if they'll put it on their tracker too.

The Davy Back fight is not filler, btw.

**DB_Hunter** · Fri, 10-05-2007, 09:06 PM

Part of it was filler.

***Kraco*** · Sat, 10-06-2007, 01:06 AM

One Piece style is certainly not the worst way to do it, but it has one weakness that bothers me: Every episode lately only has like 10 minutes new material with the huge recaps, the old Pirate King scene at the beginning of every episode, and constant flashbacks. It's kind of bothersome. They should just change the format to 15 minutes episodes (there are, after all, animes that have that format naturally though they are few). It would at least mean every episode was full of goodness you can actually watch and you didn't need to skip contantly.

They could actually do the same thing with Naruto... Just make 15 minutes episodes and the need to stretch it so badly would be alleviated somewhat.

**DB_Hunter** · Sat, 10-06-2007, 08:35 AM

Yeah, that would good for the fans but not good from a marketing perpective. Less screen time means less exposure, and less exposure means less awareness, and less awarness means lower merchandise sales which means less money.

**RyougaZell** · Sat, 10-06-2007, 11:55 AM

You hit the nail DB Hunter. It all goes down to marketing.

**poopdeville** · Sat, 10-06-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kraco

One Piece style is certainly not the worst way to do it, but it has one weakness that bothers me: Every episode lately only has like 10 minutes new material with the huge recaps, the old Pirate King scene at the beginning of every episode, and constant flashbacks. It's kind of bothersome. They should just change the format to 15 minutes episodes (there are, after all, animes that have that format naturally though they are few). It would at least mean every episode was full of goodness you can actually watch and you didn't need to skip contantly.

Yes, I agree with you. It was great in this regard before the last arc and it's gotten better since the last arc ended. I think the problem was that the last arc was very long, and the anime's producers didn't want to take a break in the middle of it. And for very good reason. Bad timing made it so they would have had to take a break at the arc's climax (the tower __ _______ scene with ____ ____ burning the ____) Hopefully, that won't happen again.

Naruto wouldn't have this problem. There are plenty of natural spots to take breaks in the manga.

Still, I like the Pirate King scene. It helps sets the tone. One Piece has always used a lot of flashbacks, and they don't bother me as long as they're relevant and well done. The recaps before the last arc were fine by me too. They were short, used different dialog to summarize what's going on, used exciting music, etc. They really helped set an episode's pace.

So, I am serious about cutting Naruto Shippuuden down to size. Does anybody else have suggestions about what kind of anime format Shippuuden or even One Piece should have used?

**AbstractTheorem** · Sat, 10-06-2007, 03:46 PM

LOL.... Someone took a dump on my Rep for Calling Naruto a Cartoon in this thread....

Sorry I should have been more specific Naruto Shipuuden is a Cartoon with animation/drawing/and production styles which are on par with G.I. Joe and Thundercats.

**DeathscytheVII** · Mon, 10-08-2007, 01:40 AM

I wonder if our current dissatisfaction of this arc is primarily because we've read ahead in the manga and know what is going on, and we also know how much the pacing is killing us? When i first watched Naruto, i watched it as an anime, with zero manga experience, and i really enjoyed it. It is rather unfortunate I was unable to test this theory since I gave up after that Team Gai vs Clone episode (having read up to the rescue gaara arc when shipuuden began) and read ahead. But a lot of ppl i know as non-manga readers have been telling me they're enjoying Shipuuden so far.

***Kraco*** · Mon, 10-08-2007, 02:35 AM

Well, I can't totally discount that even if I'm not personally reading the manga because I've been reading here the comments all the time (not manga discussion but the comments telling the anime pacing is from hell). So, I can't say it wouldn't affect me, but honestly I've already seen enough anime in general to judge what is good pacing and what is bad. But saying this, for people with less experience in anime in general Shippuuden's story telling might be just fine and exciting. In a sense such people can be considered very lucky.

***masamuneehs*** · Mon, 10-08-2007, 10:22 AM

i only started reading the manga when Shippuuden got on my nerves so much that it was either "read the manga or just don't bother with Naruto". So, at least for me, it is the shitty pacing, crappy animation, and annoying breaks between episodes that has really destroyed it, not knowing what happens (as i only started reading the manga about two months ago)

***Buffalobiian*** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 01:25 AM

Well, I haven't read the manga. All I can say is that Shippuuden is lacking so much flare that it's easily the worse series I've watched this year. That said, there were the odd eps that were done well. As far as pacing, yeah, it's pretty shocking.

**DarthEnderX** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 02:49 AM

Honestly, at this point, I liked the way they did fillers in the original Naruto. Yeah, those episodes were the worst thing ever. But at least they were all together. So you could just stop watching. Which as far as I'm concerned, is the same as going off the air for 2 years. Only it also makes the kiddies who don't know the difference between good and crap happy.

But as far as my DVD collection is concered, Naruto just ended after the Sasuke arc.

**Sarahchan** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by DarthEnder

Honestly, at this point, I liked the way they did fillers in the original Naruto. Yeah, those episodes were the worst thing ever. But at least they were all together. So you could just stop watching. Which as far as I'm concerned, is the same as going off the air for 2 years. Only it also makes the kiddies who don't know the difference between good and crap happy.

But as far as my DVD collection is concered, Naruto just ended after the Sasuke arc.

I agree! I stopped watching as soon as the fillers came and picked it up after and im happy :-D

**DB_Hunter** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 11:00 AM

I only have eps up till when we first see Itachi, and as things stand right now I can't be asked to download up to the Sasuke arc since I know Shippudden is crap.

**Yukimura** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 06:19 PM

DB_Hunter are you saying that since Shippuuden is crap you don't care about the second half of the original pre-filler Naruto?

**DB_Hunter** · Tue, 10-09-2007, 07:31 PM

I guess I am... its probably more accurate to say that I'm so dissapointed with the continuation of the Naruto story line that I can't see the point in archiving a series that has a crap ending (assuming Shippudden continues as it is).

**RyougaZell** · Wed, 10-10-2007, 08:49 AM

And you see that point of posting in a board that is obviously about a series you dislike so much?
LOLz

**animus** · Wed, 10-10-2007, 10:14 AM

Because you have to absolutely love a series to talk about it amiright?

**DB_Hunter** · Wed, 10-10-2007, 10:19 AM

There exist levels of interest between 'loving' and 'hating' a series.

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