I still think obito is related to tobi/madara somehow. The right eye sharingan only thing plus the short hair is too much of a gimme for kishi to pass up. not saying its him but wouldnt be the first time weve seen things like body transfers or something. And would put madara with a fresh new uchiha body pre kyuubi attack.
Originally Posted by AlbinoFury
Could be that Obito was Madara, and then became Tobi. Who knows. Guess we will have to wait and find out.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
People are still going on with this junk theory? Dude face it, Obito is not, and never will be Tobi / Madara. The right eye sharingan was crushed under a rock and the left eye was given to kakashi. This chapter pretty much says Madara = Obito. Now that we established that, why would Madara would want to be a crummy little weak kid (remember, Madara was born before Obito) who cant even activate his sharingan until life-death situation? Oro's body transfer lets him transfer bodies but also carries his power/abilities with him. Obito couldn't even take out a ninja that was weaker than a jounin. And from looking at Kakuzu, we know that there are more than just body transfers to prolong your life. Its been decades for Madara. Is it so strange for a person to get a freaking haircut in 50 years+ ?
Its not unrealistic to think that Tobi could be Obito. The right side of his face was crushed under the rock, but that doesn't mean the eye was destroyed. His face, especially the left eye, would have been badly disfigured and thus the need for the mask, with no left eye hole. Even the similarities of the names gives plausibility to the theory.
I don't believe that Obito is Madara, but like someone said before Madara using a body transfer jutsu on Obito would not be out of the question either.
Obito couldn't take out a weaker ninja in the Kakashi Gaiden because he had just gained the use of the sharingan right before he was crushed. But if Kakashi can develop the sharingan, then so can Madara, who is of Uchiha blood, and thus give him very good reason to want his body.
i believe obito is tobi because:
1) tobi doesnt really behave like you would think madara would behave, tobi acts more like a kid/teenager. (most of the time)
2) Having a mask that only shows 1 sharigan
3) I heard some were that tobi has a lot of bolts and pins in his arms and body, which would hint at the fact that his body has been severely damaged. (like when some boulders crushed it perhaps)
or from the fight with the first
maybe the second attack with the nine tails was revenge for the defeat.
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Conclusion:
The theory about body transfering to Obito is out because Madara lived before Obito, and thus should have retained his power like Oro when he performed the jutsu but it clearly shows he didn't because he almost got killed by a chuunin-level ninja during Kakashi gaiden.
Although there is a possibility that the damaged eye crushed under a huge boulder for Obito is still usable, it is highly unlikely to function after all that damage.
Several chapters ago, most users guessed Tobi was Madara. This chapter just indirectly said Tobi was Madara. Him sitting on "his " statue and Jiraiya mentioning Madara the page before is pretty much screaming Tobi is Madara to me. But I guess some people just have to wait until Kishi makes Tobi directly say, " I am Uchiha Madara. I am not related to Obito in any shape or form."
Sorry, I went kind of crazy in this thread
On the subject of summons dying with their master, Enma didn't die when Sarutobi died.
And thinking back to the flashback when Itachi explained to Sasuke why he killed the clan, he said something to the effect of to test the limits of this container. Perhaps Madara does have a soul transfer skill like Oro. It could be possible he took over Itachi and transferred over to Obito later on (my theory about how Obito/Akatsuki). If the latter is true, it could also expalin Tobi's split personalities.
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To clear up this idea once and for all. Summons are not jutsu that are created by the user. Summons are contracts between the user and the creature being summoned. Naruto can summon frogs because he signed the frog jutsu. Jiraiya's name, and the fourth's names also appeared on that contract list. Sasuke cannot summon snakes because he absorbed Orochimaru's mind, but can because he signed the contract.
Basically, if your name is on the contract, then you can summon that particular creature. The fact that these contracts were in existence before Naruto and Sasuke were even born negates the possibility of them being "handed down", or destroyed after the user dies.
Finally, in case you haven't noticed, some of these contracts are meant for more than one creature. By telling this particular frog to work with Naruto, Jiriaya was finally allowing Naruto to be able to summon him with the contract. The reason he felt the need to hand this down to him, was that he didn't want to frog's information to be lost. For some reason, this frog seems obedient to a particular master, much unlike some of the other summons we've seen before now.
And finally, since it appears relevant now: do you guys remember when Sasuke controlled Orochimaru's snake with his Sharingan? This might explain the kind of power which Madara used to be able to summon the nine-tails. Who would have though it was actually an allusion to past events?
This makes no sense.
With Obito, he means Tobi. I guess he was just confused...
Are you kidding? The only thing you see that is similar about their names is the "ob" part?
And I'm not saying Obito was Madara during the Kakashi Gaiden. But he could have come along in another body (one that didn't have the sharingan) and found Obito lying there half dead, and took his body so that he could have the sharingan again. Theoretically, he couldn't maintain all of his abilities if he was using a body that didn't have sharingan.
We KNOW that Tobi is Madara. At this point I don't think anyone is questioning that at all if they had read the chapters. But it is plausible for Madara to have taken Obito's body to have a younger body with the sharingan, extend his life, and now calls himself Tobi.
It's a theory. You can choose to believe it or not, that's up to you. But it has evidence and possibility, and therefore I'm not going berate anyone for choosing to believe it, But, writing it off at this point just seems a bit hasty.
Nice Chapter this week. The obvious is stated (Minato and Naruto) and the face of Madara is revealed. After reading most of what ppl have already mentioned, I don't believe Tobi is Obito now. Instead I come to a new idea that Tobi might be Madara's Grand/son and is somehow related to the scroll that was hidden somewhere when Itachi told Sasuke to go read it. It might of mentioned more than just how to aquire the magekyou Sharingan.
I really wanna see the next chapter now. Stoked? indeed I am.
As I said earlier, I really dont think similiarity in names makes a difference in the Naruto world, and I also gave an example of such.
Why would Madara want a half-dead crippled kid's body that only has 1 eye for extending his life when he can use other fresh uchiha bodies (I dont think the Uchiha clan was wiped out during Obito's death) And if even that wasn't the case, he could have still used Sasuke's healthy body
And for your information, some posts in this thread really think that Tobi is directly Obito, and not related to Madara whatsoever.
Yes, anyone is free to believe in any theorys they come up with that has a least a little bit of possiblity. I wasn't berating anyone about that. It just seemed so far-fetched that I was trying to show points that made it clarify that it is an unlikely theory
How about the possibility that Madara is indeed dead, but another Uchiha has chosen to remain unknown and follow in his footsteps? I figure if Madara was the person who summoned the nine-tails, then he probably did it in betrayal to his village. So, he probably founded his own colony elsewhere, and had lots of Uchiha babies there. Then, at some point, he decides to wipe out the remaining Uchihas in Konoha to ensure that the Sharingan survives only in his new village. At which point Itachi gets involved, pretending to wipe out the entire clan, but purposefully leaving his brother alive to revenge the entire clan for the two of them.
Plausible?
Note the obvious absence of an Obito reference here; he's most likely not coming back.
i think that it's Madara. There's no way they're just throwing around this guy's name, and he's hanging out on his statue, and then they'll suddenly say, "no, it's not Madara, but his great-granddaughter who...." I just don't see that happening, especially not with seeing how people from the First Hokage's era can still be alive using Forbidden Jutsu.
I don't know about if it's Obito or not... It's not the craziest theory out there.
And the fact that they've conspicuously left the Kakashi Gaiden out of the anime so far makes me think that maybe it's because they're saving it for a bigger shock effect later on... Granted, it won't work on manga readers, but... But I also can't think of a reason why they haven't animated the Kakashi Gaiden yet that doesn't involve sheer laziness...
The Obito = Tobi = Madara theory at least has the correspondence of him having a Sharingan for this current body (if in fact he's been switching bodies). But I'm believing it'll be revealed soon enough....
and, yeah, all this speculation is fine and all, but don't jump down people's throats so much... we really don't know what it'll turn out to be.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Here's the link towards that Tengu theory about the uchila clan from naruto. I think the fact that that statue from the valley of the end has been revealed to be Uchila Mandara goes a long way towards proving this theory right, or at the very least he's on to something very close to what Kishi must be planning for the series finale. Check it out for yourself. He uses a lot of evidence from the manga to support his claims.
Don't agree with everything about the theory but I think it definitely warrants a look.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthre...00#post4148900
I've read this theory before (thanks for posting it), but let me express the amount of disappointment I would feel if Kishimoto chose to use a bit of fan fiction to conclude his story. Granted....very well thought-out fan fiction. Still, I pray Kishi has the sense and the self respect to finish the story in his own original way, than to steal ideas made popular by the internet.
There's a difference between fanfiction and a well thoughout theory.
lol......
If Kishimoto was even aware that a site like narutofan existed, I think he'd be more inclined to shut them down, rather than steal their story ideas.
If the Tengu theory shows up...it's not because he stole it from some kid on an obscure western forum....it's because both him and the kid are following the same backstories of japanese mythologies.
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