Naruto Chapter 370

[Sidnne]

ZOMG... Much revealed. To those who didnt want to believe it, 4th being Naruto's dad is confirmed.

This was already confirmed 3 or 4 chapters ago when Jiraiya was speaking with Tsunade before he left for the rain village.


The translation is kind of vague about this "key" thing. Are they saying the key has the power to reseal the kyuubi and also the power to release it?

Also, I didn't before, but I'm starting to believe the theories now that it was Madara and not Itachi who killed the Uchiha clan. I expect that when Kishi skips over to Sasuke and Itachi in the Uchiha hideout, Itachi will reveal to Sasuke what really happened. Then both will set out to hunt down Madara together. Of course, that's just a wild thought.

I guess that's what he was inferring. But Shodaime being able to beat Madara is a bit questionable isn't it? The revived Shodaime that fought the Sandaime along with the Nidaime wasn't all that, though it is a revived corpse. Though, I'm sure it had all his abilities or whatever. Sandaime couldn't touch the Nine-tails when it attacked Konoha, no one could for that matter. That's when the Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi, something so powerful summoned by someone even more powerful/sinister Madara. And the Shodaime beat him?

Either there's a myth discrepancy or it's like a Rock Paper System...

I don't believe Shodaime was alive at the time the nine-tails attacked Konoha. Which was why the frog was shocked that Jiraiya would imply that Madara could be behind the summoning. They fought at the founding of Konoha and couldn't have been alive 16 years ago.

[Death13a]

Either there's a myth discrepancy or it's like a Rock Paper System...

Plot device for mangaka's conveniences.

[Yukimura]

All Jirayia said was that Uchiha Madara, who lived at the time of the Shodaime and the founding of Konoha, was someone powerful enough to summon Kyubii-level creatures. This is interesting on it's own since we know that Shodaime had a natural ability to suppress/control Kyubii level creatures, perhaps they were originally partners, combining their abilities to beat up on everyone around . But anyway, the point I thought Jiraiya was trying to make was just that if Madara could do it, it could be done (of course if it's kishi Sharingan will probably be required somehow). While I wouldn't put it past Kishi to reveal Tobi as some sort of zombie/immortal Madara he doesn't necessarily have to go that route, he could just as easily make Tobi some obscure new Uchiha who is following Madara's path and trying to acquire the the level of power he possessed.

[dimitris127]

ok i believe this manga has too much info so naruto is holding half of kyuubin's power...and it's the good chakra right??and the good chakra could kill oro in fourth tail...damn i sure as hell want to see the evil chakra...and if naruto will be able to control it somehow...well i don't see another way for winning against those strong opponents...also i think itachi and sasuke won't have i fight to death...that's what i feel (but as i said that's what i feel)...damn so madara is still alive?this plot is getting very twisted

[Assertn]

Shodaime beating Madara could happen. Don't underestimate Shodaime, he even had the power to pacify demons WITHOUT relying on the death god.

[SilentSnake]

I just remembered that Kyuubi mentioned Madara when Sasuke "went" into naruto's conscience thus meeting nine-tails.

Looks like there is a very interesting story between Madara and Kyuubi.

As for Tobi -> it seems to me that he simply is Uchiha Madara and I don't really know why would you want him to be someone else, the fact that he should be dead for quite some time now is not really a problem for Kishi :P

[thejustin2]

well... if sarutobi's teacher was the first and second hokage and he prolly was like 75 when he died, and madara fought the first... that would mean he could be like a hundred? idk at least thats how i am understanding it.
and also i think the key he is referring to is like a map key. maybe to the seals used to summon the death god and maybe his research as well.

[Death BOO Z]

I recall I once theorized that the Akatsuki's leader and the 4th were involved together on the kyuubi summonning,,, I guess I still have it.

points to take notice off:
-Minato (4th) knew about the Kyuubi/Madare realtion beforehand, that's why he created the death god seal.
-the 1st probably sealed part of the Kyuubi itself into the amulet that Naruto has, which is why it's a conductor of energy.
-"that" jutsu is probably the death god seal, only this time, Naruto will really take the demon to the grave.
-since it was said that the wind country (sand village) has created the Shukaku priest seal to match out the Kyuubi of the fire country, and we know that Shukaku has been around for quite a while, it's likely to believe that Madare has found a way to limit the kyuubi's "spawnning point" to the land of fire, perhaps by creating a giant tsukiyomi and bringning sadness and anger to it.
-chackra types: if minato has only sealed the bad energy and left the good energy to be used by Naruto, it means that the bad energy is also the part of the demon that Naruto talks to, and when the sepertion is broken, the kyuubi will get a bit of personnality balance, and willl become a mentor charecter (I bet he's pissed at Madare for sticking him inside the smelly country).

[Knives122]

Shodaime beating Madara could happen. Don't underestimate Shodaime, he even had the power to pacify demons WITHOUT relying on the death god.

Don't forget we've had the introduction of a character with a less powerful version of this power(Yamato) I wouldn't be suprised if Tobi was the same.

That, or going with the trend of each Akatsuki member having a form of immortality , Tobi has acquired an ability similar.

[February]

exciting...Jiraiya should be more cruel to them..after all...he is a shinobi....
I really enjoy what lies ahead of us in the story, I suspected that Tobi was Madara but some people :shifty eyes: thought he was Obito. Anyhow, its interesting to learn that a person's summon dies with them? (I thought that was why Jiraiya suggested to the frog that he become Naruto's summon in case* ) If this is the case, shouldn't have Manda (Spelling? Oro's snake) died with Oro, and thus prove illogical that Sasuke used it to escape recently? or maybe we can conclude that it is another one of Oro's powers that Sasuke has gotten to get his hands on?

I really think Minato should have told everything bit of his plan to Jiraiya about the kyuubi sealing...after all, Jiraiya is a trustworthy guy and his teacher

And finally, we come to Uchiha Madara. Here is a quote relating to it from another user:

I guess that's what he was inferring. But Shodaime being able to beat Madara is a bit questionable isn't it? The revived Shodaime that fought the Sandaime along with the Nidaime wasn't all that, though it is a revived corpse. Though, I'm sure it had all his abilities or whatever. Sandaime couldn't touch the Nine-tails when it attacked Konoha, no one could for that matter. That's when the Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi, something so powerful summoned by someone even more powerful/sinister Madara. And the Shodaime beat him?

Either there's a myth discrepancy or it's like a Rock Paper System...

We really cant assume anything based on Oro's resurrection jutsu. For all we know, the revived bodies could only carry 10% of the original power/chakra of the real person.

I see what you are trying to say but you left out some very important points.

1. Its been generations and ages since the Madara vs. Shodaime fight, for all we could know, Madara could have been alot weaker than we are persuaded to assume long time ago, because we know that power level grows over time. Therefore, all those years after that fight, Madara could have achieved intense power through vigorous training and such. But, this point is weakened by the argument that Madara should have been immensely strong at the time of the fight because it takes someone extremly talented to summon the Kyuubi.

2. Just because Shodaime beat Madara at the time/event, does not mean that Shodaime > Madara. For all we could know, they could have another fight years later where no one knew about. (For example, Rock Lee beat Sasuke *in front of people* at the Chuunin exam, but look at them now, its obvious to see who is stronger even though they haven't fought again)

3. Assuming that waterfall with the two giant statues is the place they fought, Madara would have the clear disadvantage since he as an Uchiha probably specializes in fire jutsus while that area is full of water (water wall jutsu anyone? ) However, it takes more than mere element to decide the clear winner and its hard for me to believe that Madara got beaten by Shodaime as well.

[Viscero]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tobi was Madara. If he was the greatest Uchiha ever then he probably found a more effective way of prolonging his life than Oro did. Kishi definitely seems to be setting Jiraiya up to die pretty soon. Especially the fact that both Pein and Konan are after him at the same time. Poor Jiraiya lol.

Madara could still be pissed about everything that occured in his past so he controlled Itachi to kill off all of the Uchiha clan that he didn't deem worthy to carry the name. And, in the past the Fourth stopped Madara's plans of destroying Konoha by sealing the kyubi within Naruto so that could explain his grudge against Naruto.

Also you can see how Kishi seems to believe in the whole "history repeats itself" concept. Naruto and Sasuke's fight mirrors Shodaime and Madara's fight, the same can be said for the grudge between Jiraiya and Orochimaru, etc. It's like every generation has one of the same stories... two people who were once friends who became mortal enemies. Only now it seems that Naruto is trying to break that mold because he refuses to give up on Sasuke and accept him as his enemy.

In response to February's 3. about the disadvantage with the fire jutsu.... Sasuke and Naruto battled there at the "Valley of the End" near the end of the original storyline. Sasuke had absolutely no problem using his fire jutsus in that area.

[Assertn]

exciting...Jiraiya should be more cruel to them..after all...he is a shinobi....
I really enjoy what lies ahead of us in the story, I suspected that Tobi was Madara but some people :shifty eyes: thought he was Obito. Anyhow, its interesting to learn that a person's summon dies with them? (I thought that was why Jiraiya suggested to the frog that he become Naruto's summon in case* ) If this is the case, shouldn't have Manda (Spelling? Oro's snake) died with Oro, and thus prove illogical that Sasuke used it to escape recently? or maybe we can conclude that it is another one of Oro's powers that Sasuke has gotten to get his hands on?

Where does it say the summon dies with a person?
The reason Jiraiya summoned the frog was because if Jiraiya died, nobody else would be able to summon the frog.

[February]

The reason I thought the summon died with a person is because in this chapter, doesnt Jiraiya summon the frog to tell him to change owners incase he dies (because he's fighting a strong opponent)? or did I digest that info incorrectly
I thought Naruto could summon it already?

[itadakimasu]

masa : you were saying something about madara and it made me wonder if they're going to go the route of madara getting itachi to destroy the clan and maybe turn him into a good guy if he does not die in the next few chapters.

This chapter was so good, i hope jiraiya goes out with a real bang.

[Everon]

Strange that no one is focusing on Tobi standing at the 'Valley of the End' on top of the Madara Statue and that distinct looking eye.

Anyone else thinking Tobi has some ties to the Uchiha's?

[animus]

Strange that no one is focusing on Tobi standing at the 'Valley of the End' on top of the Madara Statue and that distinct looking eye.

Anyone else thinking Tobi has some ties to the Uchiha's?

... Wasn't that painfully obvious?

[DB_Hunter]

Strange that no one is focusing on Tobi standing at the 'Valley of the End' on top of the Madara Statue and that distinct looking eye.

Anyone else thinking Tobi has some ties to the Uchiha's?

I would advise you try to reading the chapter for this one instead of asking us....

It is so blatant now that there was a conspiracy behind the fall of the Uchiha clan, and Itachi is the fall guy. I agree with comments before that Itachi and Sasuke are going to team up in an attempt to take down Madara. I even think that the whole hatred thing Itachi keeps preaching to Sasuke about is actually how HE feels about Madara. Since this feeling has given him strength, he wants Sasuke to be the same as him.

This Madara thing is really interesting. If you notice Tobi has really short hair, different to Madara's. Now I know he could have just got a haircut to keep up with the latest shinobi hairstyles, but since the only character to change hairstyle (temporarily) so far has been Sakura, I think that Tobi is not Madara. He could be someone else who is aspiring to have the same power as him.

The Ying/Yang thing. I thought the Kyuubi was just pure evil anyway, and didn't have a good side? And what point does it serve to have Kyuubi's evil Yang stored in Naruto? Wouldn't it have been better to store the Yin, so the 'good' Kyuubi would not have been trying to damage Naruto all this time and instead be mentoring him?

It does look as though Jiraiya is about to get really busted up. I hope he doesn't, as he is such a great character. At the very least he should take out Pain, otherwise it would be disrespect to Jiraiya's ability as a ninja of legendary status.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

Damn good Chapter. Minato is Naruto's Dad huh? Who knew!?! I cant wait for Naruto to find out. I think that he will be all pissed and resentful about no one telling him. That is a good chapter waiting to happen!

[chet_chetty]

It is so blatant now that there was a conspiracy behind the fall of the Uchiha clan, and Itachi is the fall guy. I agree with comments before that Itachi and Sasuke are going to team up in an attempt to take down Madara. I even think that the whole hatred thing Itachi keeps preaching to Sasuke about is actually how HE feels about Madara. Since this feeling has given him strength, he wants Sasuke to be the same as him.

I really like the idea that Itachi set up Sasuke to be filled with such emotion so that Sasuke could max out his own power. Depending if Kishi gives a really good retelling of the true happenings, if any, of the Uchiha massacre, I could care less if Itachi turns out not to have been the killer.

To take the hatred thing further, I picture Itachi having used Tsukiyomi at the time of the killings to manipulate Sasuke's memory of the situation. Maybe he knew all along that Sasuke had the true Uchiha power in him and instilled that memory of him being the killer. He would think with that hatred in him, Sasuke would be able to attain the true Uchiha power and become strong enough to kill Tobi because he knew he didnt have the potential. So many possibilities with the Uchiha story alone and it could be really exciting.

[Raven]

This chapter strengthens my belief that this series will be over relatively soon. There's some loose ends to tie up but this will be the last major arc, imo. Good stuff though. There won't be any mysteries left at this rate, not that I'm complaining. It's nice to find things out after wondering for so long.