One thing that's more obvious from the pics is that Kakashi's eyes definitely look less stressed compared to Itachi's. Itachi's looks like his eye's just gonna crack. But that might just be from the degree of use each person's had. Kakashi's new, or 2yrs max, whereas Itachi's had his for 10+ years. I like the genjutsu/ninjutsu explanation. Just have to wait for an explanation on Itachi's black flame technique now. You need Mangekyo Sharingan for that jutsu, and it's certainly now genjutsu.
Ahh, finally I'm vindicated! I remember saying that I think Kakashi had obtained the MS back when he spoke to "meat clone" Itachi, but I think I was the only one arguing that point. Man, it feels so good to be right.
Anyway, back on topic. I think we defintely need to know how Kakashi has obtained his MS, and why it looks the way it does. It could be that different people have different kinds of MS. It sounds more reasonable than say Kakashi having an underdeveloped MS, since he shouldn't be able to use it in battle unless it is fully activated.
As for the lack of Chakra, we know that Kakashi is able to release his internal gates. I think if Kakashi was really in a desperate fix, he would release his gates to get a massive chakra boost and instantly use his MS. Of course the downside is he could die/get really badly injured. At any rate, if he needs extra chakra in a fight he could open at least a couple of gates.
Thanks for those pics Penner.
Hmm, now that I see them together, they're clearly different shapes.
Which makes it odd that everyone else still seems to be insisting that Kakashi's is the Mangekyou.
I mean, looking at it I don't think thats the case. Unless the animators just fucked up drawing it this time.
So if Kakashi has found a new upgrade to the Sharingan that doesn't require killing your friend, then Sasuke has something he could learn now too.
I can't imagine that the appearance of MSharingan would vary like that between users. The normal sharingan looks the same on everyone so it's fair to assume any more powerful versions would as well. I think it's very possible Kakashi has found/created a completely different kind of Sharingan.
As for obtaining the MSharingan, i've always found it a bit odd that people take what Itatchi said to heart. The way i saw it was that not only was he provoking his brother to come after him someday, but also trying to torment him by making him believe the only way he could ever gain enough strength to defeat him was to become him. Could it be true? Sure anything could, but all we have backing it up are some cruel words from itatchi who very possibly could have had ulterior motives in saying it. It's not as if it was read from some secret scroll of the Uchiha clan, so there is no really solid reason to believe that is the only way of obtaining it or that him killing his best friend had anything at all to do with it. He said he killed his entire clan just to see what he was capable of, maybe killing his best friend was just the first thing he tried before seeing if he could kill off his family.
or perhaps the way the Mangekyou Sharingan manifests in people depends on the way they first obtain it? (ie. killing their best friend, or whatever Kakashi has discovered)
still, that's saying that Kakashi actually has the Mangekyou Sharingan, and not some other kind of upgrade to it. Then again, the conversation with him and Itachi's clone...
Kakashi's Sharingan has always been the biggest "where the fuck did that come from?" question mark of the series for me. And now it's even more so.
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When i first saw Kakashi's new sharingan i didn't even think it was the MS because it looked different so i immediately thought "oooh a 3rd sharingan type!", it was only some time afterwards i started thinking maybe it just looks different because its not an Uchiha using it or the way he managed to unlock/aquire it..
I WANT it to be a 3rd new kind of sharingan but tbh its more likely its the Mangekyo just with a bit different look to it...still, i'll keep hoping its some new fancy version ^^
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ooh just tought, maybe it's MS but a less powerful version of it? it might vary in looks depending on how powerful it is, since Kakashi doesnt have the blood of an Uchiha it might be (slightly?) weaker than an actual Uchihas MS and thus look a bit different...thoughts?
Last edited by Penner; Sat, 09-01-2007 at 06:43 AM.
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