all the rookies are in town because the only alternative to getting to the new world is to pass through mariejoa.
all the rookies are in town because the only alternative to getting to the new world is to pass through mariejoa.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Originally Posted by Assertn
I meant we can't be sure Roger brought his entire crew to the final island. I mean I know I'm stretching it, but I can't see Oda revealing what One Piece is until the end.
I meant we can't be sure Roger brought his entire crew to the final island. I mean I know I'm stretching it, but I can't see Oda revealing what One Piece is until the end.
Well the entire OP community knows that Roger was killed on Raftel (the final island the the grand line and new world) However. That doesn't mean that he was taken there just to be executed. I think he took his whole crew there and they were broken up and scattered by the government. The only reason he was killed was because of who he was and what he possessed (one piece) and his crew was the strongest. I mean we know nothing about his crew except buggy shanks Silvers and Roger. So he could've had over 100 people that were all stronger than Lucci, Moria and the whole shichibukai combined. Not to mention the fact that after over 20+ years of sailing around the grand line and seeing pretty much everything and meeting everyone forming great friends and powerful connections. You can't help but think Roger built up the greatest pirate portfolio ever to hit water. I mean the guys ship alone is a legend by itself.
Last edited by docdan63; Sat, 05-24-2008 at 07:31 PM.
Roger was executed in Loguetown.
We know that Roger's ship was the only ship to travel around the world. We also know that Roger has been to Raftel. I think it's highly likely that Silvers was also there since being first mate makes him a core part of the crew, but I don't think that Oda will have him reveal anything about One Piece when the Strawhats meet him. If the topic comes up, he'll probably say something like "go find out for yourself" or Luffy will ask him not to tell.
An alternative guess is that One Piece and Raftel are related to the poneglyphs and that Silvers couldn't read them.
Here's something that's been really bothering me though...
For the most part...the grand line journey is a one-way path...
You start from reverse mountain, and finish at the end of the new world.
The grand line sits between two calm belts, which prevents anyone from entering or leaving the grand line except from via the reverse mountain.
Yet a lot of characters outside of the mugiwara crew seem to have no problem moving all over the world and generally breaking the rules.
Take mihawk's course starting from the Baratie arc for example....
1) He's in the grand line, where he wipes out Don Krieg ships
2) He pursues Don Krieg to East Blue
3) He meets Shanks in the new world, where Shanks throws a party to celebrate Luffy getting a bounty.
4) He meets with the marine leader in Mariejoa after Crocodile's demise.
So basically he goes from grand line to east blue to new world to the mid-way point?
It's not even just him, either....there's also Ace, who manages to go all over the place to hunt down Blackbeard. Then of course, there's also Buggy and Don Krieg, who have managed to leave the grand line without passing through the calm belt or reaching the finish.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
That actually bugs the shit out of me too. And buggy and Krieg aren't even that talented to get that far.
there can a number of reasons for that.
1. eternal logs. the grandline isn't pyshically enourmous, and for most parts, isn't raging with deadly currents. a decent crew with sufficent eternal logs could probably jump-start most of the islands if they want to reach somewhere fast, Whitebeard, Ace and possibly don krieg (who was loaded on tech stuff) probably used this method.
2. Marine travels. the marine have thier own way to 'cheat' traveling the grandline, so they might be selling tickets on thier boats, or even operating a bus line (like the sea train), espically to get all thier peons around. I'm betting that the shishibukai can ride any WG ship they want, since the goverments needs them to pirate other pirates around. I could see Buggy sneaking in on such a ride, his powers are perfect for it.
Yeah with the seastone coated hulls for their ships, the marines should be able to get to pretty much wherever they want to without much effort. Moving the boat without wind shouldn't be much of a problem given all the technology we have seen this far. Mihawk most likely has the priveleges to use these ships. As for the pirates, they might have even stolen a few ships or they could just be hitching a ride as stowaways on existing marine ships, as Death Boo Z mentioned. However, I think that in the New world there might be other barriers and complications that even these ships can't bypass so easily because otherwise getting to Raftel wouldn't be that big of a deal anymore and apparently it still is.
Last edited by Splash!; Sun, 05-25-2008 at 09:36 AM.
As far as I remember, Krieg never entered the grand line. His crew encountered Mihawk on the entrance, where he wiped them out. His boat must have seastone to be able to move through the calm belt calmly, like the marine ships.
Ace powers up his own boat with his fire, so he can pass through the calm belt with no problem.
Was Buggy ever on the grand line? I mean, sure, he was part of Roger's crew... but we never were told about if he remained with them until Roger became Pirate King... maybe he left just after eating the devil fruit in any of the other 4 oceans... which would explain how come he is so 'weak' compared to other Roger Pirates. Plus, he did not know how to get to the grand line, that is why he was mad when Nami took his map.
[QUOTE=RyougaZell} Was Buggy ever on the grand line? I mean, sure, he was part of Roger's crew... but we never were told about if he remained with them until Roger became Pirate King... maybe he left just after eating the devil fruit in any of the other 4 oceans... which would explain how come he is so 'weak' compared to other Roger Pirates. Plus, he did not know how to get to the grand line, that is why he was mad when Nami took his map.[/QUOTE]
I could be remembering wrong but wasn't there a flashback that showed a young Shanks and Buggy being at Roger's execution and then deciding what they each were going to do from there?
All the Jolly Roger pirates had left the new world at some point...for example Shanks was in East Blue, where he met Luffy. I could've sworn part of Buggy's goal was to return to the grand line...especially if he had previously encountered White Beard while working on the Jolly Roger.
I know Mihawk could have that seastone coating, but yeah, he'd still have to row himself across the calm belt...I guess he could have hitched a ride or something....that would be pretty weird.
How about Arlong's crew? They managed to leave from Mermaid Island to East Blue. Then Hachi managed to leave from East Blue back to Mermaid Island. The Grand Line was more than enough for Don Krieg's 100 ships, but Hachi, by himself, was able to handle the journey?
Meanwhile Brooke's former captain, while on his deathbed, attempted the impossible journey across the calm belt, never to be heard from again.
I'm just saying that it seems like a lot of characters know their way around the world far better than any of the strawhats.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Thats true. The nap thing sounds a bit fishy though. Because that would mean that someone from the prison would've had to
a) feel his presence and thus take a chance on cuffing him
b) was low on prisoner quota and was told to get someone worth it
So I don't know
By the way. I never read or watched Enies Lobby. What happened to Tom? I know they imprisoned him, but how is that comparable to what they did to Tom? Did they do something to him like put a sentence on his head or put a collar on him that is like a bomb as well?
I don't get it
I think you're much better off going back and re-reading anything you've missed...its worth it (although now it won't be even half as fun since you've pretty much spoiled everything for yourself).
That'd be a waste of my time at this point. I was curious as to how Tom got in that situation. What I'm really pissed at is how long it took Oda to release information about Rogers crew. As creative as it is to make him the the best mechanic in the world for exactly what the straw hats need. Thats good, but I really do hope Luffy asks him about Roger. That would just be a total let down to everyone if he didn't
Well....it wouldn't be any more of a waste of time than reading manga in the first place...
Tom was the shipwright that built Gol D. Roger's ship, and he was also framed by one of the CP groups.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Yeah I Know. Anyway. What episodes of Enies Lobby was Tom in anyway? I'd like to know juts to watch. I'll browse the boards if I have to. I'm just curious if I can get a quick reference from you guys. Plus am I the only one who thinks that Rayleigh will be be released by the Straw hats in one form or another because they need him? I mean they have enough gold stored up from Skypiea and others places for bidding right? Or they can just bust him out. In addition to that once Luffy finds out who he is, they'll probably just be led by an all out bust out plan led by Luffy to free him.
Last edited by docdan63; Tue, 05-27-2008 at 11:06 PM.
They sold all the gold from skypeia at Water 7.
Most of it was used to 'buy' the stolen holy wood Franky used on Thousand Sunny, while the rest was spent on a party (to Nami's disgust upon learning so)
some explanations about my previous posts:
A. everyone involved in Gol.D Roger's piracy was sought after by the marines. tom was still viable for prosecution even ten years after Roger's execution. The marines also have a pretty good information network, they even wanted to 'brand' Koby as Pirate back in volume 1. There's no way that the WG knows about Rayleigh being imprisoned and leaves him like this. which means that the jailkeeper doesn't know who he has in custody, and therefore, isn't watching over him very well.
that, and his lay-back attitude suggest that he has no problem escaping anytime he wants, and he just chooses not to. he got himself in prison probably due to something stupid, like most one piece charecters tend to (Aoikoji, probably the most powerful Marine seen so far, is kind of a coot himself).
B. Aoikoji can freely travel across the grandline (at least most parts of it) due to his abilities, back on Skypiea there was a bird who always points north, the fish can sense thier way back to duval's island (maybe Mermaid as well? like arlong's crew of fish men?) it's possible to use a biblecard as a guide to quickly reach someone (maybe make a biblecards of a few guy who live on differnet islands?).
OP universe is really vast on abilites, so most of the elite pirates can track their way back and forth across the seas.
One piece 501
I think White Beard is on attack.
Tom was fairly easy to catch but sacrificing hundreds of marines to catch one old man is too much
"Life is hilariously cruel" by Bender
Haha man...the development with White Beard and Ace is the highlight of this chapter.
I'm kinda disappointed that the strawhats can't bust in to the auction house and start cracking skulls though
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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