Zoro can. he doesn't know anything yet.
I wonder if Ace counts as a "legend" or are they really intending to mess with WB. things could get hertic, espically since WB and Shanks cut a deal earlier on.
still, with all the marines watching over Ace's excution, there won't be enough men to watch over the tenroyoubetsu (no idea how it's spelled), and I think most of the rookies would gladly use this oppertunity to mess up the goverments spoiled kids.
things are getting priceless again.
Hmmm, nice chapter. But I wanted them to crash the place.
So the big event is the great war of pirates huh? Wonder if Dragon will interfere, since Ace is also his son (although I wonder about the 'Portgas' surname instead of 'Monkey')
When Garp said they couldn't afford fighting 2 legends at once I thought he was referring to Dragon and Silvers?
He must have meant Silvers and WhiteBeard.
But I do hope Dragon interferes.
Man....and now Garp is heading to the archipelago....
It's really hard to anticipate what's going to happen next
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Yeah I can see Garp heading to the groves to see whats up. Actually, I can see him talking with Lffy and the straw hats quite a bit to talk to them about whats going on if he finds them. Hell, I might go as far as to say he'll be an escort for them heading to the New World. Although we all know Silvers is going to help them coat and then head under to fishman isle. What I can't put my finger on, is how this war is going to start. I mean there are many questions that have to be answered.
Who will be the first crew to make a move? Will it be Whitebeard? the Marines looking for WB's crew?
Will Blackbeard up the ante and show up to bravely face WB's crew?
Will Garp be the first one on the scene and wait for the war to start like referee? Will he warn Luffy to get out of there in time? Does anyone in the series know even where WB or BB could show up to start fighting each other?
And thats just the tip of the iceberg. What will WB's first move be? How does the guy expect to start a war so simply? I mean yeah he's a Yonkou, but depending on who he's fighting, he's going to have to go backwards to the first half of the grand line to start the war. Unless BB's crew or who ever he's fighting is already there with him in the New World.
I agree, I think Garp was referring to Silvers and Whitebeard. Like Drake said, the government is pretty much asking Whitebeard to go to war with them.
What came to mind for me is that this is big because it'll disrupt the world's balance of power. But the thing is, the 3rd group (Shichibukai) has already been weakened and by the looks of it, the Strawhats may deal with one to two more in the near future: Doflamingo and Jinbei. Doflamingo's sign is on the auction house, and Jinbei is probably on Fishman Island.
That would leave Mihawk, Kuma, Blackbeard, and one other... Mihawk is reserved for Zoro of course, and I suspect that Kuma is more friendly with Dragon than the government believes.
Interesting observation, however.....
There are a few subtle differences in the icons.
Bellamy's face has two rows of teeth, while the ones in the auction house only have 1.
Also, the face is round and appears to be smiling, while the one in the auction house does not.
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I also think he was talking about them, but I don't consider Whitebeard much of a legend. Like I said before, the guy can barely live without nurses and medical equipment because of Roger.
The shichibukai aren't weakened my man, by any means. If anything they just got whole lot stronger with blackbeard. His fruit is by far one of the most powerful in the series. They're fine. And I don't know why you all of a sudden feel the need to group Shichibukai against the straw hats. Why are you doing that? They aren't after any of the straw hats. In fact only Zoro is after Mihawk. Thats all. I didn't see Flamingos sign on the auction house at all, so I don't know what you're talking about. I know he owns a business, but is slave trading what he runs? I'd be surprised if that was the business that he told the Fleet Admiral about at the meeting in Mariejoa. Kuma doesn't care about anyone unless the government tells him too. And as for Jinbei well this is what I know. Although. Blackbeard becoming a Shichibukai bothering Kuma in chapter 474
Apparently he is a fairly new shichibukai. He's been one for about 8 years. Moria ha been one for about 10. It's not that new, but still. Anyhow. He is a whale shark fishman who was from Fishman Isle. And we should all know that was Arlongs former captain who gave him his old crew. Now from what I understand. He left Fishman Isle along, long time ago. My guess is that he is probably sailing around somewhere with a new crew, ship and rules, bored out of his mind looking for things to do worth his power level. I heard he left the island when he gave his crew to Arlong.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Jimbei
So thats what I know about him. I don't think the straw hats aer going to find themselves at the hands of the government, Garp (once again Luffy's grandpa) and/or the yonkou, or Shichibukai at all even when they get into the New World. Unless Oda has a serious craving to show some major major power battles off again after the Ace and Blackbeard, they're fine.
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Assertn: Hm, I didn't check Doflamingo's symbol when I posted earlier. Even though there are those differences, I there really are too many similarities for him to not be related.
docdan63: You can see two symbols on page 4-5 of the latest chapter (501), top left panel.
I'm not really implying that the Strawhats have to be matched up with the Shichibukai or that either group is specifically gunning for each other (they're not). I just think they'll end up running into each other.
I wouldn't put too much faith into wiki. Some of the material you'll find on there is commonly-agreed upon theories that spawn from forum talk instead of fact. Most of what we know about Jinbei comes from only a few lines, and interpretations / theories can change from different translations. From what I remember there was one line (from Yosaku, no less) that said Jinbei left Arlong & co. in East Blue as part of the agreement to become a Shichibukai, and we haven't heard anything about him since. I don't think there's any solid evidence that points to Jinbei's location - Fishman Island is just a logical choice.
Yosaku talking about Jinbei: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/69/07/
Stephen's translation: http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen...op-v08c069.txt
I honestly hope that the war starts after we meet Jinbei. I want to see him during the Fishman island visit. That needs to be taken care of. Or they could see Jinbei on the way to it taking a stroll through the island. And he could say something like, "oye straw hats, what brings you here". Although I doubt he would be that nice without ending that with a fight or something if they did happen to see him. My point is that being the only shichibukai that we haven't seen yet. Being from that island, Oda should use this opportunity to show him to the readers. I think it's a good chance to show him to us. I really hope that he doesn't look like weird whale shark too. But who knows. Arlong looked like a giant blue man with a razor nose. I also hope he has a fruit.
can merman even eat fruits?
I can't think back to any devil powered one.
I think that they negate devil fruits since they are cretures of the sea themselves.
edit: check ch69page08. they say that Arlong is as strong as Jinbei, that's not so tough. I can proove it with science (it works, bitchs):
Beating Arlong boosted Luffy's bounty to 30mil (his previous bounty was less than 10mil). beating Croc gave him 100mil (70 more), and beating Rob Lucci jumped him to 300mil (but we should also take Enel into account for bounty exp). and luffy still didn't get any bonuses for beating up Moria.
Luffy now is ten times the pirate he was when he beat Arlong. the crew is whooping almost 700mil in bounty (300+100+80+79+44 = 600? and then there's brooke, Ussop, Nami and chooper, who give another 100 mil), which is almost 20 times the bounty they had when fighting arlong.
even if arlong wasn't roughly as strong, but only the first mate (and an extraordinary strong one, like Zoro) the math is still against Jinebei (Zoro has one third of Luffy's bounty, so Jinbei should get around 90mil, which is pathetic next to the SH crew).
the math works, sort of, well, if you agree to my terms and subject to my calculatuions and choose to accept my explanation.
still, unless Junbei reached a massive power up (or what Yosaku said was very, very, very not true), I don't see a way for him to win. or for anyother shishibukai (maybe MIhawk, on a 1vs1 fight with zoro)
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Yeah I saw this fight starting. First of all that drawing makes absolutely no fucking sense and its child's drawing. What you're trying to prove is beyond me.
Second is this. Yes Luffy's bounty is very high, and yes he defeated a shichibukai. But not on his own, and he needed to figure out that liquid was his weakness. Second. He tried 3 different times to beat him when he was in Alabasta. That means, (unlike Blackbeard may I remind) he couldn't just walk right in and take on a fruit user off the bat. He needed help.
Third. What the hell are you trying to prove by saying that Arlong (Jinbei's right hand man, I'll give you that) is an indication of power level in comparison to Jinbei? THe government chooses the warlords on four things dude:
1 power level in comparison to the rest of the worlds pirates
2 where they've been
3 bounties on the newspapers (except for Blackbeard who had no bounty only because the speed of not being known, to getting his, to killing Ace all with in a short time crunch)
4 what they've accomplished to put them there thus making their reputation very scary to other pirates
Jinbei is strong. Probably really strong. The government asked him to leave his crew to become a warlord. And for the last time, am I the only one who gives any credit to being a captain of a crew anymore? That's a damn powerful position to be in. It's the strongest of the crewmen in any crew, by definition.
On top of that. Jinbei is the only fishman warlord. That should say something really really big to the readers and straw hats. He is probably 100 times stronger than every fishman in the world. And even more powerful than most of the other shichibukai. My guess is out of the 7, he is probably the third most powerful member. Kuma and Blackbeard being the strongest. And I think that Blackbeard is the strongest one now that the joined the crew.
And what the fuck is this shit about his bounty being in the 90 million area? They probably offered him to become a warlord so that he wouldn't create more damage as a Fishman pirate crew. Let alone the strongest Fishman pirate crew. So I don't think he has a bounty below 200 million. I'd be very surprised if he did.
Last edited by docdan63; Sat, 05-31-2008 at 10:39 PM.
Well I don't know about all of that but I would say the fact that we didn't see him at the meeting could suggest that he is one serious badass and I think the fact that we didn't see him means he is being saved for something big later.
@ DBZ. About Luffy beating Crocodile. Luffy got his ass whooped and would have died if Robin didn't save him. Then she told him Crocodile's weakness and it still didn't do him any good. Then down in that temple or whatever he was getting beaten so badly that his blood ended up doing the job the water was supposed to be doing.
As far as Enel goes Luffy only won because he was immune to the guy's greatest strength now if that isn't an unfair advantage nothing is. Now I don't know about Jimbei since I don't think mermen can even use DF since they wouldn't be able to go into the water again, and I would think that like you said since they are creatures of the sea they would be immune to DF, but as for the other shichibukai go I would think they would all be Logia type DF users since it seems like thats what the shichibukai is made up of and I have no idea how Zoro would fight with them. Its not like he has a good track record with shichibukai anyway.
Blackbeard defeated Ace and almost destroyed an entire island in the process just to become one of them so I think you're seriously underrating them.
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Where do you get this idea from?
Moria's shadow fruit doesn't give him logia characteristics (such as invulnerability to physical attacks). He can't turn himself into shadow or anything....
Doflamingo's fruit lets him telekinetically manipulate other people...how is that logia?
Kuma's fruit lets him deflect shit....once again not at all logia.
Mihawk doesn't give any indication of having a devil's fruit at all.
Not true. Luffy never had a bounty before beating Arlong. He was first reported to Marine HQ by the rat-faced marine guy that was working with Arlong.
Anyway......
I don't think I would necessarily say any one person is the absolute strongest in the entire series. If one thing is for sure, it's that the world revolves around a very tight system of checks and balances. This is why 3 groups of super powers exist instead of just one. Even Enel, who was infinitely more devastating than Luffy, was defeated easily by Luffy due to a simple rock/paper/scissors outcome. Blackbeard's power trumps any other Logia type, but I'd like to see how well this would help him in a fight against, say, Mihawk.
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I see your point, I just assumed they were Logia but you are right Moria's and Kuma's fruit are probably paramecia. Is being able to turn into your element the only difference?
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It's probably the easiest discernible difference.
Blackbeard noted that not being immune to physical attacks is a unique characteristic of his Darkness fruit among Logia types.
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Paramecia fruit users can create their devil fruit power from their body. Logia fruit users can turn their body into their fruit element to let physical attacks pass through.
Some Paramecia: Mr. 3, Kalifa, Moria
Some Logia: Ace, Smoker, Aokiji
Luffy is a notable exception because although he is a Paramecia, he seems to be in "always activated" mode whereas other Paramecia users have to activate their abilities to use them.
I'm not 100% sure about Logias, but they seems to be "always activated," which allows them to be immune to physical attacks (except under specific circumstances, such as Crocodile + water, Enel + rubber)
An easier way I like to think about it is that the fruit is most likely not a Logia unless it's elemental and we've seen immunity to physical attacks. (as mentioned... Blackbeard is an exception).
Okay. I don't think Logia type fruit are always active though because I seem to remember Luffy crashing into Smoker and Ace sometime during the Crocodile arc and he didn't just pass straight through them. I think it would make more sense if they had to turn it on to become intangible rather than it always being on.
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