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    Imagining the Tenth Dimension

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    I thought I was following fine, till the summary before the 10th dimension made me lost. Still, a pretty interesting idea.
    "Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。

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    And then, after you get through that, try twisting your brain over this article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honoko
    And then, after you get through that, try twisting your brain over this article.
    They bring up good points. Does time really exist? I'm starting to think no.

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    an interesting little slide show. I've read some string theory before, but this was a nice, quick way of digesting it all...

    The problem lies, at least currently, in the 'folding' steps and our inability to freely travel in the fourth dimension. We can fold the third dimension and go up, forward, left or whatever, but we can only go "up" in time (4th).

    This physical limitation closes off the "split" possiblity of the 5th dimension, because humans can't go back in time or simultaneously develop other 'alternate reality' versions of themselves (as if we could 'restart' days or weeks or years and make different choices there, then pick which version we liked best).

    Where this gets interesting is outside of physical reality, in thoughts and emotions, which have often been said to lie outside of the 4 dimensions. Surely we can 'imagine' these alternate reality selves, even alternate realities as presented in the 7th dimension (where the British used purple water sprites to put down the American Revolution of 5$31 and George Washington was an all-pro dogfighter, and it rains sexy Amazon women on the third elliptical planetary cycle around our 6 suns)

    But the world I just created above, in my head, is something I can't quite share with others. I can't even access it myself outside of imagining it. We can communicate these ideas between us, and you might even 'experience' that crazy reality in your own mind in a brief foray of your own through the 7 dimensions, but you can't touch the Amazons.

    Some have reached this conclusion and said, 'We should focus on developing ourselves to be the best in our current reality (first 3 dimensions) and in our actual lifeline (4th dimension); these alternate selves (5th) and alternate realities (parts of the 7th, the entire concept of the 8th and 9th) don't matter'

    I'd agree with the first part, but the only way to truly do that is by considering the other dimensions, starting with the 5th. If you were born and told you were to be a coal miner, and you just stuck to that path and tried your best to make coal, you would pass by all your (potentially better) alternative selves. We understand this because our minds aren't fixed in the 4th dimension, and we can imagine our alternate selves and work to achieve the future self we want the most.

    Keeping this in mind, we can (to an extent) achieve the 'split' in the 5th dimension, and actually do so every day with the choices we make. The catch is, we can't ever go back in the 4th dimension, so these choices appear only once and forever shut off the untaken lifeline. We can't "fold the 4th dimension through the 5th" and go back to ourselves as children. The 80 year old coal miner can't go back and tell his 13 year old self, "you don't need to be a coal miner! go be a doctor!" and numerous time-travel movies have dealt with the potential paradox that that would create...

    We also, likewise, can't jump from now to an alternate now, as a jump in the 6th dimensional fold would automatically land me in a time where I'm a pro-rodeo clown. That path was closed off by various actions done in the past.

    Again, some people would stop here and say, "Ok. Duh, we'll consider our possibilities in the 5th dimension as part of our cultivating ourselves in the 4. Big whoop.

    But, thankfully, people (at least some) have a desire to impact more than just their own lives; they actually want to impact the reality around them. The coal miner might want to be a doctor to get money and a less hazardous life for himself, but he could also want to find the cure for a disease or help others. Taking that alternate path in the 5th dimension creates a different reality, where there's a little less coal, but more healthy people and maybe even one less disease.

    This is the step left out in the little presentation. As defining the 7th dimension as 'all the possibilities of our universe', it captures the correct essence. Here we, in the 4th dimension, can actually shape which paths of the infinite 7 dimension paths become reality. The change is small (and always unnoticed) in most of our cases. What socks I wear don't seem to impact the world at large, but whether or not Marx decided to write his Manifesto surely has a huge impact, and that actuality was composed of meager events as uneventful as which socks he wore on what days and other infinite influences.


    ...okay, that's enough for now...

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    I'd agree with the first part, but the only way to truly do that is by considering the other dimensions, starting with the 5th. If you were born and told you were to be a coal miner, and you just stuck to that path and tried your best to make coal, you would pass by all your (potentially better) alternative selves. We understand this because our minds aren't fixed in the 4th dimension, and we can imagine our alternate selves and work to achieve the future self we want the most.
    You could argue that you were also pre-destined to achieve the future self you wanted the most, thus this path still follows the fixed 4th dimension premonition.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    pre-destiny? the entire point of there being 5 dimensions is that you CAN imagine and maybe get to some of those 'alternate selves'. And, I'm sorry, but a guy who is 5 feet high isn't ever going to be a pro-basketball center, even if that's what he wants the most. The physical limitations (time as well) will always limit the possibilities of which 'alternate self' you become, but that pre-destiny stuff doesn't fly in my book. although it's also hard to prove that things are or aren't pre-determined...

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    No, I believe the point of there being 5 dimensions is so you can alter the 4th dimension by bending that dimension.

    In other words going back in time and preventing yourself from following your current path.

    Without any external intervention, you'll end up at the ending point that you were pre-destined to end at.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Is God a 10th dimensional creature? hehe. Ok. lets not go there.

    Cool stuff.
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