Originally Posted by animus
Because we had a fist fuck orgy just before the fight.
Because we had a fist fuck orgy just before the fight.
Good stuff. Good stuff.
/applause
http://www.catsuka.com/maggiori.php
Guh....i remember finding a site that lists tons of copied angles, fight scenes, gestures, etc. involving Naruto, Bleach, and a bunch of other shows.....but I can't remember where I found it.
This is nothing new, neither to Naruto nor to Anime as an entirety. All the studios mutually finds ways to stretch their yen.
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Cowboy Bebop is one of the most classic series' ever made. Naruto is better in certain ways but in others Bebop is better. Some 26 ep anime series' just have more charm than a 200+ ep series even if i love em.
Some people say "tomato", others say "tomato". I didn't like the animation or the plot of Bebop. Might have had a little to do with the voice actors for the dub too.
Either way, that's not the point of this thread. Naruto is not the be-all-end-all anime either, but it has it's good moments, like when Naruto beat his opponent by farting. And when they paid homage to a "classic", even if it's in a subtle and undeclared manner. They never figured some nerdlinger would actually spot their tribute. They must be very happy that one did, so their efforts were not in vain.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I personally don't think it's a homage to CB. If anything, it's a blatant rip-off from a good battle scene that was used for filler in the battle between Nejii and Naruto. They probably took the layout of the animation and scribbled right over it, rather than plan out an entirely new fight.
Just because you don't like CB doesn't justify the fact that the Naruto anime team stole a battle scene.
We should take a poll to see who thinks it was in homage and who thinks it was a rip-off, ie. who are the optimists and who are the scumbags.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Or option 3: it was merely a coincidence.
yeah that way we can add retards to the list. segregation ftw.
Cowboy Bebop had a plot? That's news to me.
I don't see the point of these comments. If Naruto is not the "be-all-end-all anime" in your opinion, then say what you think is. And who cares if they paid homage to the most overrated anime ever?
Thats enough off topic bickering.
I'm not sure why that thread was locked but when I saw that a long time ago, I showed it to a friend of mine and it turns out that both anime copied those moves. It's a borrowed scene from Bruce Lee, from one of his movies. I don't know which. Just wanted to let anyone who still cares know. And if this is considered a repeat topic or whatever, then sorry.
Yes it was locked, due to off-topicness and a sharp decline in relevance, accompanied by a swift increase in idiocy. Your post has been merged with the thread in question and it is now re-opened on my optimistic hopes that people can actually conduct themselves like decent human beings this time around...
Last edited by masamuneehs; Sun, 07-15-2007 at 06:58 PM.
The key animator for bebop and naruto are the same person, so its not really stealing, just someone reusing old work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscope
its rotoscoping. a very common animation trick, and since naruto is like all anime is a show that airs every week when animations typically take months to make, i dont blame them for using it. im sure that it wasnt, but the proper steps where taken to roto the footage legally. mizuchi was pointed out that the key animators where the same for both productions, but not only that its even possible that the original bebop footage was probably rotoed off of live action footage, studios including classic deisney did it all the time. its no different then the motion capture thats used in 3d animation today.
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That sounds like one of those made up words that will get over-used and forgotten, like sympatico and emo.
I'm not sure it even applies in this case. Both Naruto and Bebop scenes may be rotoscopes of some Bruce Lee movie footage, but when one copies the other like Naruto copied Bebop, it's straight bamboozling.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
There's no realistic way to tell if the Naruto scene was taken from Bebop or taken directly from the live action anyway, unless you go and ask the guy.
error not found?
its actually really easy to spot a rotoed scene. they all have a fluidity thats nearly impossible to achieve when animating by hand. those silhouette scenes in the last naruto opening was all rotoscoped. im pretty sure the bebop scene was too. lots of fight scenes that complex are rotoed because of the difficulty of animated two characters interacting.
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How difficult can it be to draw two characters interacting? I've made flip-book animations with two stick figures fighting and it came out pretty good. Now just flesh out the stick figures and you have your complex fight scene. There's no excuse to copy animation scenes. It's either laziness or in tribute.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
seriously, you did NOT just compare a stick-man flip book to an actual production animation. theres A LOT more to it then you comprehend if you are making such a vague connection. a fight scene of that complexity has to be choreographed and have a detailed storyboard before production of it begins or things will go awry very quickly with extremely bad timing issues. just 2 seconds of animation is a hell of a lot of work. ive slaved many months producing animation for my classes that are barely 2 minutes long. rotoscoping is used to make an otherwise messy, long and difficult process clean, quick and simple.
if you still think thats is not difficult produce a fleshed out fight scene with REAL characters and let me know if you feel the same way. until then youve lost all credit in criticizing animation.
the fact that those scenes are exact duplicates is proof enough that the footage was acquired legally either through gaining the rights to the bebop scene or using the same stock footage to roto which is the most likely case because im sure the bebop team didnt want to go through the long process of animating that shot without rotoing.its not laziness. its efficiency. and you cant be an immensely popular show and get away with stealing footage.
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