Battle of the E-Penis (Rd. 2 Matchup 3)

[Animeniax]

My message was that if you don't want to use time to do first hand research (experience), then just listen to what others say before voting (reputation). But vote nonetheless. That's all I'm saying: If you aren't interested in doing any research before voting, then don't, but use your right to vote in any case.

I still stand by the principle that you should not participate if you aren't going to take the time to become informed about who and what you are voting for, at least in important situations like public office, though your stance is admirable if not realistic

As far as a poll on these forums, relying on reputation in the absence of personal experience isn't such a bad thing. However, letting others' opinions override your own personal experience is bad, unless you are dumb or crazy, in which case you should listen to others.

[kAi]

So, have you guys never taken into consideration of what has been said by other people?
Another way of gaining information is from word of mouth, I think it's a good way to receive simple informaton and get an understanding of things about certain events, etc. All the information that you receive from other people, is the first thing you do go look up everything about it, to know more? (I know sometimes you would because it interests you more)I think many times you don't need to go get more, because the word of mouth is sufficient information to get a quick understanding about someone or something, and if the information is coming from a source that you deem ok, what's wrong with what they say? or to make a decision based on what they say?

This poll is about who is a bigger e-dick, you don't need every little bit of information to make an informed decision, alot of the time it can be answered by someone who has seen it, whether that be on the forums, irc, etc.

[Assertn]

So, have you guys never taken into consideration of what has been said by other people?
Another way of gaining information is from word of mouth, I think it's a good way to receive simple informaton and get an understanding of things about certain events, etc. All the information that you receive from other people, is the first thing you do go look up everything about it, to know more?

If you need to rely on the input of others, you should opt for the objective details or references that others might wish to emphasize, rather than just their opinions.

In other words, instead of voting for candidate A over candidate B because more of your friends like A, you should vote for candidate A because A supports issues C, D, and E, which you have discovered through the cases your friends have brought up.

Yes.....what I said before.....
But your previous post did not at all imply this.

@Kraco: What's so important about voting that it takes precedence over actually educating yourself on the subject? If there is a good candidate and a bad candidate, and your uninformed contribution turns out to be in favor of the bad candidate, then didn't you just hurt the system more than help it?

[Kraco]

@Kraco: What's so important about voting that it takes precedence over actually educating yourself on the subject? If there is a good candidate and a bad candidate, and your uninformed contribution turns out to be in favor of the bad candidate, then didn't you just hurt the system more than help it?

Well, if people had the mentality they would feel an obligation to vote, eventually they might start to look at facts little by little. But if they never bother to even consider voting, thinking they wouldn't even know whom to vote for, they will just never vote, never learn and never affect the future of their own country / state / community. And that means giving more power to those who do vote every time, regardless of what manner of people they might be.

And besides, one big reason why I vote is that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain afterwards.

[Board of Command]

And besides, one big reason why I vote is that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain afterwards.

You can also argue that from the other side. If you have no knowledge of the candidates you're voting for, then you have no right to complain about an unfavorable outcome.

[Kraco]

You can also argue that from the other side. If you have no knowledge of the candidates you're voting for, then you have no right to complain about an unfavorable outcome.

The kind of complaining I meant is mainly along the lines: I voted but my candidate failed to make it to the x and now the fools are doing this and that or if a miracle happens and (s)he's in: I voted the scumbag but he's doing absolutely nothing... Damn all lying politicians.

But if you didn't even vote? What can you say? You can't complain about the people in because you didn't even try to affect who got in, and because you had no interest in who's in, you can't complain about the decisions they make or fail to make.

That's my simple-minded moral reasoning.

[SK]

The name SK just creates classic threads.

[Board of Command]

The kind of complaining I meant is mainly along the lines: I voted but my candidate failed to make it to the x and now the fools are doing this and that or if a miracle happens and (s)he's in: I voted the scumbag but he's doing absolutely nothing... Damn all lying politicians.

But if you didn't even vote? What can you say? You can't complain about the people in because you didn't even try to affect who got in, and because you had no interest in who's in, you can't complain about the decisions they make or fail to make.

That's my simple-minded moral reasoning.

That's an entirely different issue. The same "rights to complain" don't apply if you don't know anything about the candidates. Like I said, you don't get the right to complain if you're just voting blindly. You shouldn't vote because you want the right to complain later. You vote because you want a say in your country. You vote because the party you're voting for benefits yourself. You're not voting for that purpose; you're just voting because you want a scapegoat in case you don't like the outcome.

Since you really have no interest in who wins, I guess going by your criteria that you also don't get the right to complain. Affecting the outcome and caring about the outcome are two completely different things. Many people recycle garbage. How many of them actually give a crap about the environment?

[Kraco]

That's an entirely different issue. The same "rights to complain" don't apply if you don't know anything about the candidates. Like I said, you don't get the right to complain if you're just voting blindly.

I can't go that far in my reasoning. Maybe you are right. I have never voted blindly and with zero interest so I wouldn't know from personal experience. Maybe if such a thing happened then it would void the right to complain. But on the other hand, why would such a voter even want to complain? I'm not really talking about absolute extremes here, for in the end you can't force people to vote, as the voting rates reveal, and thus zero interest people don't end up voting. It's hard to say whether they would still want to complain or not.

[Jadugar]

I want a re-match of Kraco vs BOC... I mean Kraco vs SK.

[Board of Command]

I can't go that far in my reasoning. Maybe you are right. I have never voted blindly and with zero interest so I wouldn't know from personal experience. Maybe if such a thing happened then it would void the right to complain. But on the other hand, why would such a voter even want to complain? I'm not really talking about absolute extremes here, for in the end you can't force people to vote, as the voting rates reveal, and thus zero interest people don't end up voting. It's hard to say whether they would still want to complain or not.

I don't know. You're the one who admits to voting for the sake of voting in case you want to complain about it afterwards. I have no idea how much interest/care you had in the votes and I don't think that's even relevant.

For the record, I've never voted because I turned 18 just last year.

I want a re-match of Kraco vs BOC... I mean Kraco vs SK.

I'll kindly refer you to this post:

http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread...5&postcount=26