In the version I have, Deidara says something along the lines of "hey, don't forget I helped out, it wasn't all you". So it sounds like Tobi had the major role. But oh well, not really important.
In the version I have, Deidara says something along the lines of "hey, don't forget I helped out, it wasn't all you". So it sounds like Tobi had the major role. But oh well, not really important.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Well, I'm just going off of whatever translations I've read, I've noticed that amongst the different scanlators they can vary, but that was the jist of what I got from it, that Tobi used some Jutsu to finish the 3-tails off and Deidara was scolding him because he didn't do all the work and because it wasn't a skilled opponent.
If I was gonna make something up it probably would have been a lot more random then that ;0).
Also, as for the eyesight, that's just what I remember, Kakashi saying something along the lines of "how bad has your eyesight gotten?" may have been a mistranslation, regardless we know the mangekyou takes a considerable toll on Itachi, he used it twice and had to retreat, Kakashi uses it and it puts him in the hospital.
The page shown where Sasuke was talking about conserving chakra, I think he was more referring to how he could minimize his movements since he could accurately predict Naruto's. If you don't know what's coming you have to keep moving and expend more energy being ready for anything, if you know exactly what's going to happen you only need the energy neccessary to react to that given situation.
If Tobi does turn out to be Obito, I can't see him being much more powerful then Kakashi, he is a natural blooded Uchiha, so he most likely had great potential, but I don't really buy him becoming some sort of amazing ninja after what he was shown as previously, especially considering half his body was destroyed.
Although if the whole "one hit KO jutsu" on the 3-tails was true, then it makes him a powerhouse who apparently can take a direct swordswipe and be unphased. So who knows what Tobi will turn out to be.
I know this has been discussed at length in a couple other threads... but i don't think either side of the argument has anything absolute. when i read those scenes and saw them play out in the anime i still got the same assertion that itachi's vision has gone to hell from overuse of mangeykou(sp?) Although itachi's response in the scene is hard to tell since he was not actually there but rather using a clone technique.Originally Posted by Q-BeRt
-I'm kinda confused as to why sasuke had to actually chidori himself, i would think that doing his full body chidori would have done the trick w\ the C4.
I dont think deidara has anything left up his sleeve, great chapter though since i cant wait to read the next one.
It doesn't affect his eyesight. If it's even the correct translation, it's a metaphor.
Im not so sure. At first I thought it was just a metaphor, but if you watch episode 13 when Itachi and Kakashi are having their little chat, at around the 9:55 mark Kakashi asks him "how bad has your eyesight become" and Itachi says "kakashi, you couldnt have...".
If Itachi were thinking that Kakashi "couldn't have" achieved the Mangyekou, then this implies that Kakashi was correct in describing the consequences of using the technique. But this is in the anime, so Im not sure its completely legit. Just my 2 cents
Well just to add fire to this small tangent about the MS, The manga (ch 257 pgs 8-9) kakashi says that the MS screws up your eyesight. So read it. I dont know why this is even being debated b/c it is extremely clear. Also kakashi has a MS so why wouldn't he be right.
Anyways I cant wait for this fight to be over. Its about time that somebody should win. I wanna see shino get some screen time.
Or it could imply that Kakashi had stolen MS from Itachi right from under his nose and he was blind to have not noticed sooner.Im not so sure. At first I thought it was just a metaphor, but if you watch episode 13 when Itachi and Kakashi are having their little chat, at around the 9:55 mark Kakashi asks him "how bad has your eyesight become" and Itachi says "kakashi, you couldnt have...".
If Itachi were thinking that Kakashi "couldn't have" achieved the Mangyekou, then this implies that Kakashi was correct in describing the consequences of using the technique. But this is in the anime, so Im not sure its completely legit. Just my 2 cents
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Um, I HIGHLY doubt that.
Either way, it implies that Itachi knows Kakashi has the Mangyekou based on the side effects Kakashi mentioned.
This right here clears up the stupid metaphor nonsense. It's not a metaphor! He clearly says it's a risk to his eyes before the so-called metaphor. MS hurts your eyes.
What the hell are you people talking about? There is no logic in any of your arguments.
Nevermind the bad punctuation. This right here says it hurts your eyes.From Inane Scanlation Ch. 257 pg. 8
Kakashi: Besides the fact that it requires a considerable amount of chakra, it also presents a great risk to your eyes as well doesn't it... Itachi.
NOT A DAMN METAPHOR!!!From Inane Scanlation Ch. 257 pg. 9
Kakashi: How far has... "plink" your eyesight deteriorated?
Nope....terribly insufficient as proof.
Conversely, let's think of it this way:
1) Kakashi says MS takes a toll on the user.
2) Itachi is impressed by Kakashi's observation.
3) Kakashi asks how bad Itachi's eyesight has become.
4) Itachi freaks out.
Now, if we were to assume that JaySee was right, then #3 does not present anything that #1 doesn't present, right? So why would Itachi's #4 be so dramatically different from #2? It just doesn't make any sense!
However, if we consider #3 to be metaphorical in that it implies Itachi has failed to observe something important, then it does become new information, which justifies the drastically different #4 response.
In addition to this, I find that the confirmation that Kakashi does, in fact, have MS when he used it on Deidara further supports my point, because it allowed us to know with absolute certainty that #4 was a foreshadowing to Kakashi's new ability. With that said, where does the connection exist between #4 and Kakashi accusing Itachi of going blind?
Sometimes I think you guys need to take some basic courses in literary techniques.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Hmm... maybe because... #1 is in the form of a QUESTION. Hence my comment about bad punctuation. Itachi believes he is being asked. #3 is where Kakashi is revealing he already knows the answer. Looks like you need to learn basic reading comprehension before jumping to literary techniques.
Um....what? Here I actually come up with probably the most micro-analyzed interpretation of the exchange and you reply with this nonsense?
I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
Animus, you seem halfway there to make some sort of rational counter-argument, right? Care to challenge my post?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
EXACTLY... go back and take some reading comprehension.
If you had some basic understanding, you'd get that #3 reveals a lot #1 DID NOT. Hence the reaction difference between #2 and #4.
Lols, you're a fuckin retard, JaySee.EXACTLY... go back and take some reading comprehension.
If you had some basic understanding, you'd get that #3 reveals a lot #1 DID NOT. Hence the reaction difference between #2 and #4.
Do you honestly think Kakashi was trying to ask Itachi a question in #1, just because it ended with a question mark? You're saying #1 sounded like Kakashi had no idea if MS hurts a person's eyes and pretends to be genuinely curious? Itachi's response in #2 even stated something along the lines of "I'm impressed you learned so much from just one confrontation with it." So why would Itachi not think that Kakashi knew?
Screw the literary comprehension, you need to learn basic social interaction, son. This has become highly lollable. I can't even tell if I'm supposed to be taking you seriously or not.
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10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Whether or not that Mangekyou Sharingan takes a toll on the eyes, I doubt it will play a part in the storyline. If we had a Sharingan-less Itachi going around, Sasuke would kill him faster and won't prove much of a fight to us.
Last edited by BananaFob; Wed, 07-11-2007 at 09:05 PM.
But here's the thing , with all that being said, you seem to be ignoring #1 and #2 alot and focusing alot more on the sudden change in Itachi's expression in between #3 and #4.
Ch 257, p. 8
Kakashi: Not only does it use up a huge amount of chakra, It would seem the jutsu carries a great deal of risk for your eyes too, doesnt it ... Itachi.
Itachi: Having fought me once, you have made quite the analysis
Courtesy Shannaro scanlation.
This establishes that Itachi's eyes are indeed at risk, regardless of what type. I hope we can all agree with that.
Then this risk can either be Itachi going blind from using MS OR something else.
Case 1: Itachi's eyes are at risk in some other fashion and he isn't going blind
If this is the case, then what you suggest makes perfect sense and the blindness should be interpreted as just a metaphor and nothing else.
Case 2: Itachi is going blind from using MS
Sub-case 1: Itachi already believes that when Kakashi first mentions the risk to his eyes, he is referring to blindness.
In this situation, the sudden change in expression b/w #3 and #4 can once again be the result of Kakashi using #3 to suggest that he has acquired MS from right under his nose, and at the same time also taunting Itachi on his condition.
Sub-case 2: Itachi believes that all Kakashi knows is that MS puts your eyes at risk.
Then the sudden change between #3 and #4 can be result of Itachi being astonished that Kakashi knows the exact nature of of his problem (which can only be known through personal experience and Kakashi having acquired the MS himself)
Does all this definitively prove Itachi going blind? Absolutely not.
But it does suggest that Itachi going blind is a possible outcome and does not, in any way, conflict with the exact nature of this conversation between Itachi and Kakashi.
I think MS posing a serious risk to Itachi's eyes is an undisputed fact. And when most of us think of such a risk, we think of blindness. The fact that kakashi later mentions blindness, be it metaphorically or otherwise, seems to solidify the idea a bit more for me.
While SPLASH! made an excellent argument as to why MS damages your eyes, I think Banana here has the right idea: I seriously doubt it will play into the storyline significantly. If MS DOES pose a risk to your eyes (and it quite likely does) then Kakashi was only mentioning it as a way of foreshadowing it before he uses it in his fight against Deidara. In which case, everyone is right, in one way or another.Whether or not that Mangekyou Sharingan is takes a toll on the eyes, I doubt it will play a part in the storyline. If we had a Sharingan-less Itachi going around, Sasuke would kill him faster and won't prove much of a fight to us.
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