Naruto Chapter 361

[BananaFob]

massive sharingan usage

Regular Sharingan for a Uchiha user takes no or little chakra to use.

As for the Earth-Lightning thing, yeah, I'm pretty confused about it as well. My science is really bad, but here's what I think:

A bolt of lightning can travel at a speed of 45 km/s (kilometres per second) (100,000 mph, 160,000 km/h). [4] It can reach temperatures approaching 28,000 °C (50,000 °F), hot enough to fuse soil or sand into glass channels.[5]

An average bolt of negative lightning carries an electric current of 40 kA (kiloamperes), although some bolts can be up to 120 kA, and transfers a charge of 5 coulombs and 500 MJ (megajoules), or enough energy to power a 100 watt lightbulb for just under two months. The voltage depends on the length of the bolt: with the dielectric breakdown of air being 3 million volts per meter, this works out at about one billion volts for a 300m (1,000 feet) lightning bolt.

First of all, that speed looks really fast (because it's light). Then, the obvious one factored here is the temperature...28,000°C. It can melt everything including the Earth's core made of iron (which is 5000°C). Of course, this fact might be wrong because Wikipedia isn't correct of all the time. Now that is a few thousand feet above us, so we don't feel anything from it. However, if you were to somehow convert it into Naruto version, Sasuke would be able to turn his body or chakra into a miniature-lightning technique that isn't as violent as mentioned on Wikipedia, but similar. Besides, because they weren't on the ground (unless the Clay Bird is accounted for), I guess you can say that Sasuke could have turned his own body into a Chidori so that he could neutralize the clays inside their body?

Not really sure about this considering it's a bad 5-minute theory I came up with, but that's what I think (which doesn't make any sense, considering lightning is neutralized once it hits the ground).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning

[Yukimura]

@BananaFob lightning isn't actually light, but it is the expression of same forces that govern light and it produces light. On that note 45 km/s isn't that fast compared to actual light, which moves ~300,000 km/s

I for one don't think it's healthy to put much thought into the rock-paper-scissors elemental circle. If I remember correctly in Naruto land:

Fire beats Wind beats Lightning beats Earth Beats Water beats Fire
Fire loses to Water loses to Earth loses to Lightning loses to Wind loses to Fire

I think Kishi was going for balance first and reasonablilty second. Many of the reactions don't make sense or would make better sense backwards, but Naruto doens't take place in the real world, it takes place in Naruto world, so our rules only really apply until the author tells us that they don't in his world.

[Terracosmo]

And finally, because -- as everyone knows by now -- everything reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho, I have to say that Deidara is basically Karasu of Team Toguro. The fight has gone, for the most part, identically to Karasu's only televised match, in which he battles Kurama. Karasu, master of explosives, goes toe to toe with the best strategist in the show who reveals previously unseen versions of his famous techniques, even after Karasu resorts to numerous invisible bombs.

This should sound familiar by now

The fight ends with a failed suicide bomb attempt by Karasu. All these similarities lead me to only one conclusion. Deidara will employ the same tactic, to the same effect.

And hilariously, Karasu is actually my favorite character from Yu Yu Hakusho. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!

As a sidenote the character I enjoyed most in Fullmetal Alchemist was Kimbley (the one who blew stuff up all the time). I don't really know what the fuck is with me and bombs/explosions but damn it gets me on.

[Assertn]

And hilariously, Karasu is actually my favorite character from Yu Yu Hakusho. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!

As a sidenote the character I enjoyed most in Fullmetal Alchemist was Kimbley (the one who blew stuff up all the time). I don't really know what the fuck is with me and bombs/explosions but damn it gets me on.

Well then in that case you must be a big for of Mr. 5 as well:

[elmojo]

well, deidara is screwed , uh does akatsuki know about the afinity thing or is it just a konoha taught tradition

i really hope there is no suicide bomb, deidara should just run away and get back to akatsuki and have the leader finish him off for his incompetence

[Idealistic]

well, deidara is screwed , uh does akatsuki know about the afinity thing or is it just a konoha taught tradition

i really hope there is no suicide bomb, deidara should just run away and get back to akatsuki and have the leader finish him off for his incompetence

haha... That would be cool. I want to see Zero kill one of his own men.

Man... I really hope Deidara dies sometimes soon. Hidan and Kakazu (I think those were there names) were actually some pretty interesting Akatsuki members. Sucks they had to die so soon and Deidara(the least interesting one imo) is the one that lives for so long.

[February]

well, he chidoried himself, which probably hurt him quite a bit, add that to the entire fight (massive sharingan usage, curse seal blowing apart as well as summoning wing-replacment snakes, and the general ass whipping Dei has handed him) and it's quite possible that Sasuke doens't have much chackra left either, I don't think we'll see another chidori from him (if he could have thrown one out, he should have used it instead of just punching Dei).
he defintally can't win against a 2nd akatsuki member now, and i have a hard time believeing sugietsu and juggo can win against one on thier own (at least on thier current level).

Despite your reputation on this forum for being biased against Sasuke, i agree that Sasuke is worn out and low on chakra probably. As someone else said before, I dont think using Sharingan alot will make much difference because it takes relatively little to no chakra for a Uchiha to use it. 'Cursed seal' blowing apart? what are you talking about?

As for assuming Suigetsu and Juugo cant beat an Akatsuki, we havent even seen their strengths properly yet? Tell me their "current level"

[Death BOO Z]

i meant curse seal wings blowing appart sorry,
didn't know i already have a reputation for being biased against Sasuke, does everyone know I also hate Shino and Kiba?
Sasuke also used his sharingan for genjutsu and other moves, which probably take up more chackra than just looking around with it, i don't believe he could fight for this long and still have enough juice for another fight.

for my assumptions on Sugi and Juugi, there's no real evidence of thier strenghts yet, other than the fact that Juugi doesn't always fight (he's got the wussy side of him) and that Suugi is weaker than Sasuke.
Tobi, while acting stupid sometimes, still took out one of the tailed monsters (three tails, if i'm not mistaken) in one strike, and it probably wasn't a cheap ass trick like Hidan zombie circle.
Besides, tobi is an adult akatsuki member, Suugi and Juugi are teenagers who needed Sasuke to bust them out of jail. they need to show out thier skills at least once before they're ready to fight an akatsuki.

[mage]

Why the fuck are you calling them Suugi and Juugi? That's just annoying. You know their names are Suigetsu and Juugo, yes?

[Assertn]

Tobi, while acting stupid sometimes, still took out one of the tailed monsters (three tails, if i'm not mistaken) in one strike, and it probably wasn't a cheap ass trick like Hidan zombie circle.

Why do people keep saying this? Tobi ran away and Deidara used his bombs to take out the 3 tailed.

[Someonemanr]

In the chapter where that goes down Tobi says something along the lines of "Did you see my new awesome one hit KO jutsu?"

Least that's what I remember, and Deidara replies along the lines of it being a tailed beast without a jinchurriki (ok, I'm pretty sure I just butchered the spelling of that) so that it was just all power and no brains, easier to take out.

I gotta say I like Deidara a lot after all this, he's shown that he's a pretty brilliant strategist, oh and as for the Sharingan not using much Chakra for an uchiha, I'm not sure if that's true, It takes less of a toll on them then say on someone like Kakashi who's not supposed to have it in his body, but it still wears them out, especially if they use it for specific techniques, such as Itachi's Mangekyou deteriorating his eyes.

What I'm really wondering, is how much goddamn chakra does Sasuke have now? When he first learned Chidori he had a max of about 2.5 a day, and Kakashi said that he could only do 4 himself, because combining the Chidori with the Sharingan explodes chakra througout your body using it up very quickly. Now granted when Sasuke whent level 2 he gained a considerable amount of chakra, and he's had 2 and a half years to train, but still, he's managed to use Chidori somewhere around 10 times in this fight alone? Perhaps the needles and the current type moves don't use up as much chakra? Or I guess he's just a chakra monster now like Naruto.

[mage]

such as Itachi's Mangekyou deteriorating his eyes.

*sigh*

It does not affect his eye sight..

[KCMmmmm]

In the chapter where that goes down Tobi says something along the lines of "Did you see my new awesome one hit KO jutsu?"

Least that's what I remember, and Deidara replies along the lines of it being a tailed beast without a jinchurriki (ok, I'm pretty sure I just butchered the spelling of that) so that it was just all power and no brains, easier to take out.

I gotta say I like Deidara a lot after all this, he's shown that he's a pretty brilliant strategist, oh and as for the Sharingan not using much Chakra for an uchiha, I'm not sure if that's true, It takes less of a toll on them then say on someone like Kakashi who's not supposed to have it in his body, but it still wears them out, especially if they use it for specific techniques, such as Itachi's Mangekyou deteriorating his eyes.

What I'm really wondering, is how much goddamn chakra does Sasuke have now? When he first learned Chidori he had a max of about 2.5 a day, and Kakashi said that he could only do 4 himself, because combining the Chidori with the Sharingan explodes chakra througout your body using it up very quickly. Now granted when Sasuke whent level 2 he gained a considerable amount of chakra, and he's had 2 and a half years to train, but still, he's managed to use Chidori somewhere around 10 times in this fight alone? Perhaps the needles and the current type moves don't use up as much chakra? Or I guess he's just a chakra monster now like Naruto.

I think the point is that he's become so much more adept as using chakra efficiently that he now uses less chakra for the same old moves. If he could (for example) double his chakra efficiency, then he would be able to use 5 chidori even without increasing his max capacity or using the cursed seal. This is just speculation.....but we know it is possible to "get more out of your chakra". Anyway, Sasuke hasn't been using the Sharingan the entire fight, has he? I was under the impression that he's used it only when he had to.....the same as he's been using the cursed seal, in bursts. Either way, if Deidara can train his normal eye to deflect Genjutsu, then I'm sure Sasuke can train his Sharingan-empowered eyes to drain less chakra. Itachi has his on almost 100% of the time after all....does he expect people to randomly attack him if he relaxes?

[The Heretic Azazel]

does he expect people to randomly attack him if he relaxes?

If I were Itachi, I would.

[Assertn]

In the chapter where that goes down Tobi says something along the lines of "Did you see my new awesome one hit KO jutsu?"

Least that's what I remember, and Deidara replies along the lines of it being a tailed beast without a jinchurriki (ok, I'm pretty sure I just butchered the spelling of that) so that it was just all power and no brains, easier to take out.

You basically made all this up just now.

[Splash!]

^^ No he didn't make all that up. Go reread Chapter 318. Someonemanr is right on the mark about both Tobi using a special jutsu on the 3 tail as well as what Deidrara said.

Edit (Below): Yes, We don't know whether Tobi finished him off, but he did use some special jutsu (apparently powerful)

[BananaFob]

If I remember correctly in the anime during the Naruto-Sasuke fight, Sasuke was thinking to himself that as long as he had those eyes, he wouldn't use up much chakra.

Here's the page from the manga.

[mage]

^^ No he didn't make all that up. Go reread Chapter 318. Someonemanr is right on the mark about both Tobi using a special jutsu on the 3 tail as well as what Deidrara said.

There's no indication of Tobi actually being the one to take it out. The only attack shown is one of Deidara's bombs in 317, then in 318 Tobi is standing on top of it declaring that it was nothing for him. Afterwards, Deidara states that Tobi would have had no chance if it weren't for his explosives. It seems to me like Deidara beat it up with some bombs and let Tobi get the final blow.

[Assertn]

No......it sounds to me like the 3 tails was Tobi's target, and his victory lied in him getting Deidara to do all the work for him.

[mage]

That's pretty much what I said.