Movie: The Dark Knight

[Stitch]

Yeah, you're right. That one was even better. Perfect timing on that line. Bruce Wayne's grand entrance right before that and the speech he gave in Harvey's honor was the only time I felt that Christian Bale was even in the movie.

Also, when Gordon got promoted to Commissioner and everybody was clapping, he started clapping too, like, "bitch, you can thank me for that." That had everybody in the theatre cracking up.

I've only seen The Dark Knight once so far but I think the only reason I want to go see it again before it comes out on Blu-Ray is just to hear Joker brainwash Two-Face. How do you blow up a man's fiance, burn half his face off, and then convince him that it's everybody else's fault? This is a District Attorny that Joker just talked down. I was so excited by all the build up that I missed the nuances and subtleties of his points -- "schemers" and all that.

[Assertn]

Harvey gave Joker the same treatment he gave everyone else involved in his fiance's death. A coin flip for his fate.

[Stitch]

Oh yeah, you're right, good point. That was so epic.

And before that when Gordon visits Harvey at the hospital, and Harvey turns his head... the CGI work on Two-Face made all the impact in that scene.

Amazing movie.

[Carnage]

Yeah I'm glad they made Dent's face shocking but bearable.

[SamuraiOdin]

Talking about the Ferry scene... I felt it could have gone 2 ways when you account for the Joker. 1 was the way that the writer actually wrote the scene, and the other was (and this was the one I was thinking was going to happen) that each was rigged not to the other boat, but to their own. So you push it thinking you'll kill other people, but you kill yourself instead.

[Vegechan]

This is what I don't understand. I've noticed that many people who argue about "ridiculous points in the movie" tend to also make comparisons to comic arcs, indicating that they are fans of the comics.

How the hell can you complain about the few moments in the movie that seemed "ridiculous" such as a cell phone spying network, when you read the comics, where Batman has a global spying network that can spy on anyone anywhere at anytime?!

It's Batman movie. Yes, it tries to be more realistic than any Batman incarnation to date, but you have to remember that in the end, it's still a fantasy. Even the most realistic movies still have things that wouldn't really happen exactly as it would in real life.

Don't be so uptight about it and enjoy it for what it is. Entertainment.

[Stitch]

Is it just me or did anyone else get reminded of MGS3: Snake Eater when watching The Dark Knight?

I mean, when they used sonar and got sky hooked out of Hong Kong? I just couldn't help but make the connection.

I hate to speculate but maybe this is a hint that Christian Bale will be playing Snake in the MGS movies. That would be sweeeeet.

[Carnage]

This is what I don't understand. I've noticed that many people who argue about "ridiculous points in the movie" tend to also make comparisons to comic arcs, indicating that they are fans of the comics.

How the hell can you complain about the few moments in the movie that seemed "ridiculous" such as a cell phone spying network, when you read the comics, where Batman has a global spying network that can spy on anyone anywhere at anytime?!

It's Batman movie. Yes, it tries to be more realistic than any Batman incarnation to date, but you have to remember that in the end, it's still a fantasy. Even the most realistic movies still have things that wouldn't really happen exactly as it would in real life.

Don't be so uptight about it and enjoy it for what it is. Entertainment.

You're right. You don't understand. What pisses people some of us off isn't that its unrealistic.

[Assertn]

You're right. You don't understand. What pisses people some of us off isn't that its unrealistic.

Nope. What pisses some of you off is that to be satisfied with the movie is to be conformist.

Along the lines of the sonar system...
I found that the crystal-clear sonar-vision was definitely a stretch, and there was no reason to make the eyes of batman's mask turn to tv screen blizzard-mode, other than to accentuate the fact that he's using the sonar, which, probably hurt my suspension of disbelief more than any other effect in the movie.

The idea of a dark hero with so much power, however, creates a nice, sterile, "big brother is watching" kind of setting, which always has potential for a great story.

[Carnage]

Nope. What pisses some of you off is that to be satisfied with the movie is to be conformist.

Well there are those people too, yes. But there are specific scenes that just bug the hell out of me. You are just shallow enough to buy all of it.

I'm not saying this movie was bad, a lot of it was excellent. As I've said before, they made a great adaptation of the comic, especially with Two-Face. There are just several parts that were disappointing, its not a perfect movie (although it really could have been).

[Assertn]

There are just several parts that were disappointing, its not a perfect movie (although it really could have been).

Well that's just vague enough to avoid controversy!

[Assassin]

well then, tell us how you would've made those parts less disappointing...what would you liked to have seen?

[Sapphire]

I was dissapointed at the last scene.. too cliffhangery and convenient. I wish there was some more of Two Face as well.

[Vegechan]

Well there are those people too, yes. But there are specific scenes that just bug the hell out of me. You are just shallow enough to buy all of it.

What. The. Heck.

Now, instead of just not liking those parts of the movie, you're insulting all who feel differently than you? I've yet to see you actually say why those scenes bugged the hell out of you. All you've said is that you didn't like them, or that they were "ridiculous."

Why did they bug you? It has nothing to do with them being unrealistic, so in what way are they "ridiculous"? And why are we, those who didn't get bugged by it, shallow enough to buy it?

[Carnage]

What. The. Heck.

Now, instead of just not liking those parts of the movie, you're insulting all who feel differently than you?

I was simply responding to Assertn's attitude.

I've yet to see you actually say why those scenes bugged the hell out of you. All you've said is that you didn't like them, or that they were "ridiculous."

No, you just haven't been paying attention. Right on the previous page, there are several posts discussing my disappointment in all the parallelism to the war in Iraq. I'd rather they keep that out of Batman.

And why are we, those who didn't get bugged by it, shallow enough to buy it?

I meant either you were shallow enough to buy all the parallelism and think its "artistic" or just not notice it at all.

@Assasin: I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

[Jessper]

@Assasin: I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

So you don't get the symbolism. Characters in film are not people, they are metaphors, pretty basic concept.

If you were to show Batman was helpless against crime that would just be a parallel to your attitude on how we will never win a war on terror. Stop it with your political jabs in what should be an action flick!

[Dark Dragon]

I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

There are some parts of the movie i didn't like also but for the most part it felt right for Batman. I definitely would not show Batman helpless against crime because it would be so out of character. Even in most of the older comics for JLU you will have a hard time finding a moment when Batman is truly helpless, I mean here we have a Billionaire who is also brilliant, manages to mastered every Martial Art known to man, has extensive knowledge in various fields such as Mythology, History and Science. Batman is also resourceful enough to where most villains and other heroes are hesitant to face him one on one.

I remember reading an old issue of JLU where an alien race took over Earth and subsequently captured every member of the JLU except Batman. Their leader was telling Superman how it was not important because one man without any super power could never hope to do anything against them and Superman simple reply that Batman is the "most dangerous man on Earth". Batman then by himself sneaked into their super fortress, disable it's defense system while releasing the other JLU members.

Having the convict blow up their own ship seem unnecessary, the whole point of the scene was to show the Joker that while terror and fear are certainly amazing weapons when used correctly there is also a potential for the peoples to suppress their fear and do the right thing. Almost for the entire movie they had the Joker as someone who is able to predict the actions of everyone and therefore was able to cause so much panic and chaos. That scene shows that he is in fact just a man and does not have power over the actions others.

My only grief with the movie was that i didn't really buy the Harvey turning into Two-face scene and how that part of the movie feels somewhat rushed while they could've remove some unnecessary scenes like when Batman went to Hong Kong in order to give it more substances but overall it is still the best Batman movie to date.

[Carnage]

So you don't get the symbolism. Characters in film are not people, they are metaphors, pretty basic concept.

If you were to show Batman was helpless against crime that would just be a parallel to your attitude on how we will never win a war on terror.

No, my problem is the symbolism used. Not the fact that they had symbolism, but what it stood for. And obviously you don't understand Batman, because one of his major conflicts in the series is whether or not he can fulfill his promise to his parents to end crime. I'm not talking about specific situations, but the general idea of him fighting against the crime in Gotham and trying to end it once and for all.

Stop it with your political jabs in what should be an action flick!

No you see, that's the problem with the movie, I'd rather not have political jabs in it.

[Jessper]

No, my problem is the symbolism used. Not the fact that they had symbolism, but what it stood for. And obviously you don't understand Batman, because one of his major conflicts in the series is whether or not he can fulfill his promise to his parents to end crime. I'm not talking about specific situations, but the general idea of him fighting against the crime in Gotham and trying to end it once and for all.

Obviously.

No you see, that's the problem with the movie, I'd rather not have political jabs in it.

I agree with you, I'm saying it didn't and you are making connections where there are none, hence my sarcastic comment on what your "fix" to the movie would cause.

[Carnage]

Obviously.

Well that was also in response to Dark Dragon, who didn't fully understand.

I agree with you, I'm saying it didn't and you are making connections where there are none, hence my sarcastic comment on what your "fix" to the movie would cause.

Okay, so we disagree on there being connections. Now unfortunately for you, in an interview Chris Nolan admits to there being parallelism between the movie and the war.