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    Quote Originally Posted by uhicha neji

    In my eyes, I only see Sasori and Deidara fighting because it was their responsibility to bring Gaara back to the cave with little to no attention, and they failed. They now have to step up to the plate and stop Gai and Kakashi's team.
    Or maybe because they are the only one there.

    I actually liked this episode. It seems that next week Sakura will be useful again! And I don't believe Gaara is dead dead. Maybe he is dead now. But I think he can be resurrected. I mean he is an important character. They cant just kill him off.

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    True, all the other members were just holograms or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder
    Why? They can only do the ritual once every 3 years. What good is Naruto to them now?
    Where does it say that? I thought they just didn't want to get Naruto yet because they wanted to seal him last or something since he's the nine-tails... And coincidently it just happens to be 3 years later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    I'd like to know where in the anime people are getting the idea that Zero can only summon the Bijuu extractor once every three years? I remember him saying that it's been three years since the last time they all got together, but I didn't take that as meaning they if they caught a Jinchuuriki prior to that, they couldn't extract its Bijuu...

    I thought only Oro's body-switching technique has had a declarative time constraint on it. Maybe I'm wrong...

    Clearly it takes alot of effort from all nine Akatsuki members to extract a Bijuu, and I seriously doubt they'd be able to do it immediately with Naruto, even if they somehow managed to beat the two Konoha teams and Chiyo. I think Deidara and Sasori are going to be fighting just to escape.

    That's exactly what I thougt, the 3 year wait Jirayja told Naruto was to rescue Sasuke. But because Oro already did the body switch, Naruto had time left to train and then rescue Sasuke.

    If indeed the akatsuki need 3 years to perform this jutsu again, then it's very coincidental... Maybe too...
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    If Akatuski needed three years between extractions, they would have to wait a minimum of 27 years to collect all the bijuu. Doesn't sound very likely to me.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by uhicha neji
    He didn't refer to Shukakku as his Bijuu. He told Deidara that now that they had found his, they needed to focus on FINDING Sasori's. Sasori still cannot find his own Jinchurriki.

    In my eyes, I only see Sasori and Deidara fighting because it was their responsibility to bring Gaara back to the cave with little to no attention, and they failed. They now have to step up to the plate and stop Gai and Kakashi's team.

    I've got a question though... How come it seems that anyone that comes across Naruto, can always relate to him through a dead relative?
    That's a good one...

    Sasuke: Orphan
    Haku: Being important to someone
    Gaara: Jinchuuriki, solitair as a child
    Jiraiya: Reminds him of the yondaime
    Tsunade: Her younger brother
    Chiyo: Grandchild Sasori

    Am I forgetting someone here?
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    I'm getting pretty fucking tired of;

    a) things breaking
    b) people saying "I have a bad feeling about this" after something breaks
    c) flashbacks and metaphors about naruto being similar to gaara
    d) sand ninjas complaining about not being able to save gaara somehow
    e) short clips of gaara suffering just to make ep longer (although that finally ended)

    Seriously the last 10 eps have been close to identical

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    That's a good one...

    Sasuke: Orphan
    Haku: Being important to someone
    Gaara: Jinchuuriki, solitair as a child
    Jiraiya: Reminds him of the yondaime
    Tsunade: Her younger brother
    Chiyo: Grandchild Sasori

    Am I forgetting someone here?

    That's all that I can think of as well.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by uhicha neji
    He didn't refer to Shukakku as his Bijuu. He told Deidara that now that they had found his, they needed to focus on FINDING Sasori's. Sasori still cannot find his own Jinchurriki.
    Well in either case it still makes my point. Each member seems to have a specific Bijuu picked out as their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash
    Well in either case it still makes my point. Each member seems to have a specific Bijuu picked out as their own.
    I think there's hierarchy amongst the akatsuki. I think we can, with all certainty, say that Zero is the leader. And we all now that the Kyuubi is the strongest Bijuu of them all. So I think that Zero get's that Kyuubi. I mean, wouldn't you want the best if you can choose?

    Although it is quite weird that Itachi and Kisame are the ones that are going after Naruto. Maybe it really has something to do from what country they came from. So they know how the hidden village is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terracosmo
    I'm getting pretty fucking tired of;

    a) things breaking
    b) people saying "I have a bad feeling about this" after something breaks
    c) flashbacks and metaphors about naruto being similar to gaara
    d) sand ninjas complaining about not being able to save gaara somehow
    e) short clips of gaara suffering just to make ep longer (although that finally ended)

    Seriously the last 10 eps have been close to identical
    i am totaly with u.that is so boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    I think there's hierarchy amongst the akatsuki. I think we can, with all certainty, say that Zero is the leader. And we all now that the Kyuubi is the strongest Bijuu of them all. So I think that Zero get's that Kyuubi. I mean, wouldn't you want the best if you can choose?
    Assuming the Akatsuki will still last for a long while, I'll be really disappointed if no backstabbing ever happens. I mean, it's unlikely you would have a group of highly skilled and independent bad guys who all probably think they could beat at least some of the others, and yet they would still work like a flock of boy scouts. Especially if there are big differences between the powers of the bijuu.

    Itachi is probably not the only one of these guys who has committed horrible acts. I don't remember if Kisame's past was explained in any detail, but for people like Itachi killing their associates wouldn't take anything more than a tactical decision and a chance. I mean, a normal person would hardly even consider his reason to murder his clan anything real.

    Actually, now that I think about it, it would make sense none of them is going to get his bijuu before the others but they are kept in the statue until all are collected. If Itachi got his bijuu before others, I think it would perfectly suit his profile to test his new capacity by killing the others. And I honestly doubt he would be the only one of the Akatsuki to consider such an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Assuming the Akatsuki will still last for a long while, I'll be really disappointed if no backstabbing ever happens. I mean, it's unlikely you would have a group of highly skilled and independent bad guys who all probably think they could beat at least some of the others, and yet they would still work like a flock of boy scouts. Especially if there are big differences between the powers of the bijuu.

    Itachi is probably not the only one of these guys who has committed horrible acts. I don't remember if Kisame's past was explained in any detail, but for people like Itachi killing their associates wouldn't take anything more than a tactical decision and a chance. I mean, a normal person would hardly even consider his reason to murder his clan anything real.

    Actually, now that I think about it, it would make sense none of them is going to get his bijuu before the others but they are kept in the statue until all are collected. If Itachi got his bijuu before others, I think it would perfectly suit his profile to test his new capacity by killing the others. And I honestly doubt he would be the only one of the Akatsuki to consider such an option.
    hmm, maybe that's why they almost never meet each other besides the partner you're assigned to. A meeting is gathered only when necessary. So the chance of finding each other is difficult I think.

    All I can remember from Kisame is that he was a former member of the Seven swordsman of the mist. Don't think he did some charity work there

    I'm still wondering who was paired with Orochimaru, someone of the group acts all alone now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash
    Well in either case it still makes my point. Each member seems to have a specific Bijuu picked out as their own.
    Ah but.....

    There's also that scene where they showed Sasori's puppet-esque mouth, and he says "It doesn't matter which bijuu I get as long as I get one, right?"
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    True, it's hard to figure out if more tails = more powerful Bijuu... It seems to be common sense, however... I mean, if you got to possess a Bijuu inside of you, would it really matter if it was a one-tail or a nine-tail? ...still, because Itachi and Orochimaru are/were members of the group, I agree with Kraco, that all the extracted power must be set aside until all nine Bijuu are captured. Otherwise, the more ambitious group members (and there has to be a couple, Oro certainly was) would split after getting their Bijuu powers.

    ...i don't know. i just can't imagine there would be such trust among a group of bad guys who've obviously betrayed their old village. i'm naturally expecting back-stabbing between them. Zero seems to be smart enough to counter this, and I think that's the whole reason why the eyes of his Bijuu Extractor statue continue to hold the symbol of whichever Bijuu they've acquired, that he can't simply hand out the power to whichever member captured it, for fear they'll turn against the others or leave the group.

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    I'm not sure that more tails = stronger bijuu. That would make Gaara's the weakest?

    They're probably all about the same. Endless chakra is endless chakra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder
    I'm not sure that more tails = stronger bijuu. That would make Gaara's the weakest?

    They're probably all about the same. Endless chakra is endless chakra.
    I thought they once said that the Kyubbi was the strongest of the bijuus, because of the 9 tails.
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    It looks like in practice the sealing technique used matters a lot when talking about the power of a jinchuuriki, at least. Though likely there's a price to pay with all sealing techniques granting more power to the ninja. Still, who knows what manner of a technique Zero is planning to use. It's of course somewhat probable he thinks he has perfected a suitable technique since he's collecting the beasts. But if each of these guys is going to get a bijuu by using the same seal, then only the power of the bijuu should determine how powerful they are purely as jinchuuriki. But right now I don't think it's possible to compare for example Naruto to what Gaara was before the extraction.

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    I think Kraco is right on there. Different sealing techniques obviously allow different amounts of the Bijuu's chakra to be use by the host. So the power of the jinchuriiki is not nessecarily the power of the Bijuu.
    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    I thought they once said that the Kyubbi was the strongest of the bijuus, because of the 9 tails.
    They might have, but I don't remember it if they did.

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    They've said that kyuubi has an unlimited amount of chakra...and i believe they also said that, that was what made it the most powerful. Ofcourse, the fact that the kyuubi is the one that the main character has, makes it the most powerful anyway by anime logic.

    Also, (and this was discussed earler too, but just thought i'd put it out there again), the kyuubi was sealed within naruto to stop it from destroying the village.....the ichibi (shukaku) was sealed within gaara so that gaara could be used as a weapon, which means gaara would've had more access to shukaku's power compared to naruto who can just accesss the leaked chakra. I doubt we'll see naruto pull a transformation like garaa did, since the method of teh sealing was likely different.

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