Naruto Shippuuden Episode 17

[Harima Kenji]

That's what I'm thinking.. Gaara's death was too..simple. It lacked a very emotional music score or something..it felt so empty.

When I heard Chiyo say that she sealed Shukaku in Gaara, I just knew that she would do it again, and die in the process. Maybe she'll use the same kind of sealing jutsu as the 4th Hokage used to seal Kyuubi in Naruto.
It didn't make sense when Chiyo said that she sealed Shukaku into Gaara, since the method the 4th used on Naruto killed him, so I guess there are multiple ways of sealing a Bijuu into a person....or it's just a very deep plothole..

Gaara is just too cool to die.. he just..can't...

[Stoopider]

Yup not to mention the great doctor is there as well Sakura. Hopefully they can revive him, somehow. Gaara can't die! He's too cool a character to die.

[Assertn]

That's what I'm thinking.. Gaara's death was too..simple. It lacked a very emotional music score or something..it felt so empty.

When I heard Chiyo say that she sealed Shukaku in Gaara, I just knew that she would do it again, and die in the process. Maybe she'll use the same kind of sealing jutsu as the 4th Hokage used to seal Kyuubi in Naruto.
It didn't make sense when Chiyo said that she sealed Shukaku into Gaara, since the method the 4th used on Naruto killed him, so I guess there are multiple ways of sealing a Bijuu into a person....or it's just a very deep plothole..

Gaara is just too cool to die.. he just..can't...

Different seals work differently. In the case of Shukaku, it wasn't Chiyo that was killed, it was Gaara's mom.

[Genma]

I thought this episode was pretty... bad. The reasons include:

1) Lazy animators, who couldn't even bother animating/drawing Kakashi and crew jumping on branches while Kakashi talked to Chiyo. Seriously, they were just flying the whole time.
2) Naruto tapping into the Kyuubi to gain speed. I don't recall this ever happening in the manga -- although I could be wrong. If it was in the manga, shame on Kishimoto.
3) Filler character dialogue. I don't know who this Matsuri or whatever is, but I'm assuming she came in on a filler episode that I didn't watch. The talking between her and Temari was uber boring, but luckily short.
4) Gaara's death. So void of emotion; it reminded me of Rukia coming back after the Soul Society arc in Bleach. Although his last breath staring at himself, surrounded in white, was pretty cool, I don't think they really captured the emotion they should've.

Maybe I've just been spoiled by the manga. I dunno.

[Aeon]

For some reason I can't download this episode

[redcat]

Episode 165 was called Naruto's Death, and he certainly didnt die.

165 was a filler ep, but I think the same people come up with the names of non-filler eps anyway.

Gaara might be dead, but I dont think its quite set in stone yet.

[ASSpirine]

Aboslutely nothing happened in this episode... We did found out a few things.
That Gaara is the third Jinchuuriki they've acquired (third pupil that appeared)
And the so called death of Gaara who happens to get the assistance from the priest who bound the Shukaku with him before... I think this plot gets kinda visible. At least, that's what I'm expecting.

Also, nothing seems to happen in the next ep... So some real action will only happen over 3 weeks.

[masamuneehs]

so nobody here wants to confirm the accuracy of Gaara's "dying" monologue? Thanks.

[DarthEnderX]

*shrug* nihongo wakaranai

When I heard Chiyo say that she sealed Shukaku in Gaara, I just knew that she would do it again, and die in the process. Maybe she'll use the same kind of sealing jutsu as the 4th Hokage used to seal Kyuubi in Naruto.
It didn't make sense when Chiyo said that she sealed Shukaku into Gaara, since the method the 4th used on Naruto killed him, so I guess there are multiple ways of sealing a Bijuu into a person....or it's just a very deep plothole..

It's most definatly two different sealing techniques. Since the 4th invented the one he used on Naruto. It's also the best one shown in the series as far as the well being of the jinchuriki is concerned. Kyuubi bearly effects Naruto at all unless he wants it too.

Gaara's on the other hand is much less stable. Every time he goes to sleep Shukaku takes over his body.

The downside to the 4th's of course is that it kills the caster. It's basically sacrificing the your own life for the well-being of the jinchuriki.

[Aeon]

Watched the ep and no way Gaara is dead. Atleast Matsuri got to talk this week.

[boilerph]

But more over, the eye statue is in that cave. What prevents Naruto from using his giant rasengan to wreck the whole thing? At least Shukaku should still be stored inside it. Don't know about the previous two beasts: It could be the eyes would remain like that even if the bijuus weren't in anymore.

Wasn't the statue summoned by zero? I was just assuming it would disappear when they were finished with it like other summons. By the way is anyone else wondering why Anima from FFX is being used for the extractions? I got it......Zero is Yuna's brother and Naruto is going to cross over with Final Fantasy.

[Kraco]

Wasn't the statue summoned by zero? I was just assuming it would disappear when they were finished with it like other summons.

Hmm... I don't remember anymore. But if that's the case, then they would likely just find an empty cave except for Gaara's body. Though Deidara and Sasori would still need to find a dark hole to crawl into to hide (really dark and deep to fool Kakashi's dogs), because they were physically there, even if the rest were just holograms and summons. They would have no need to fight, though, if there was nothing to defend. Not that they could fight in their present condition, but anyway...

[Assertn]

They would have no need to fight, though, if there was nothing to defend. Not that they could fight in their present condition, but anyway...

I think a jinchurriki arriving at the entrance to the Akatsuki hideout would be a good incentive to fight

[DarthEnderX]

Why? They can only do the ritual once every 3 years. What good is Naruto to them now?

Anyway, they're setting this up to make Akatsuke badguys for a long time to come, since they're supposed to be such powerful ninjas, they shouldn't be beatable by Jounins and chuunins. So instead, they only fought 2 members at 30% power, and now they're gonna fight 2 more that are exhausted. So yeah, they're probably gonna lose.

I wonder how long in the series it's gonna take before someone has to go 1 on 1 with a full powered akatsuki member.

[Kraco]

Otherwise yes, but I got the impression Naruto's bijuu wasn't even assigned to that pair (Sasori & Deidara). And besides, I doubt in their present condition they would even try, no matter if the opportunity is offered like this. After all, nothing really forces them to fight if they don't need to defend anything anymore, and thus dying while trying to capture a jinchuuriki sounds like a dubious tactical decision.

[ASSpirine]

Otherwise yes, but I got the impression Naruto's bijuu wasn't even assigned to that pair (Sasori & Deidara). And besides, I doubt in their present condition they would even try, no matter if the opportunity is offered like this. After all, nothing really forces them to fight if they don't need to defend anything anymore, and thus dying while trying to capture a jinchuuriki sounds like a dubious tactical decision.

Kyuubi is assgined to Itachi and Kisame. That's why they were after Naruto.

Also, I thought the bijuu would be transfered to one of the akatsuki. So they could use the power of the bijuu. But it seems like they just gather them and use it somehow...

[Harima Kenji]

Wasn't the statue summoned by zero? I was just assuming it would disappear when they were finished with it like other summons. By the way is anyone else wondering why Anima from FFX is being used for the extractions? I got it......Zero is Yuna's brother and Naruto is going to cross over with Final Fantasy.

hmz... Kingdom Hearts 3.. Final Fantasy + Naruto.. would be a weird combo..

I'm not sure if Akatsuki can only do this once every 3 years.. but I can't recall what was said exactly in the episode where Jiraiya said something like that.

I didn't see it as Naruto using Kyuubi as a speed boost, but rather what happens everytime Naruto is pissed.

I thought at first that Naruto would simply crush the huge rock that seals the cave in pure rage, but seems like they'll use a more silent way

[Crash]

Kyuubi is assgined to Itachi and Kisame. That's why they were after Naruto.

Also, I thought the bijuu would be transfered to one of the akatsuki. So they could use the power of the bijuu. But it seems like they just gather them and use it somehow...

I believe that once a few ep's back Sasori reffered to Shukakku as "my bijuu" or something to that effect. The transfer of the bijuu into another person is likely a difficult thing, it's possible that Zero has designed this "statue" they are using as a container to hold them until they collect them all so that they can transfer all them into their respective members at the same time.

[masamuneehs]

I'd like to know where in the anime people are getting the idea that Zero can only summon the Bijuu extractor once every three years? I remember him saying that it's been three years since the last time they all got together, but I didn't take that as meaning they if they caught a Jinchuuriki prior to that, they couldn't extract its Bijuu...

I thought only Oro's body-switching technique has had a declarative time constraint on it. Maybe I'm wrong...

Clearly it takes alot of effort from all nine Akatsuki members to extract a Bijuu, and I seriously doubt they'd be able to do it immediately with Naruto, even if they somehow managed to beat the two Konoha teams and Chiyo. I think Deidara and Sasori are going to be fighting just to escape.

[uhicha neji]

I believe that once a few ep's back Sasori reffered to Shukakku as "my bijuu" or something to that effect. The transfer of the bijuu into another person is likely a difficult thing, it's possible that Zero has designed this "statue" they are using as a container to hold them until they collect them all so that they can transfer all them into their respective members at the same time.

He didn't refer to Shukakku as his Bijuu. He told Deidara that now that they had found his, they needed to focus on FINDING Sasori's. Sasori still cannot find his own Jinchurriki.

In my eyes, I only see Sasori and Deidara fighting because it was their responsibility to bring Gaara back to the cave with little to no attention, and they failed. They now have to step up to the plate and stop Gai and Kakashi's team.

I've got a question though... How come it seems that anyone that comes across Naruto, can always relate to him through a dead relative?