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    Hmm, I'm gonna say "yes and no" to that second paragraph.

    While, yes, the sealing technique was used to save the village, as we've seen from when the 3rd used the technique on Orochimaru, it can also be used to simply kill the target. Obviously though the 4th didn't have to take Kyuubi to the underworld with him. He instead sealed it inside Naruto, for the good of the village. Or for the good of Naruto. One of the two I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder
    I think Kraco is right on there. Different sealing techniques obviously allow different amounts of the Bijuu's chakra to be use by the host. So the power of the jinchuriiki is not nessecarily the power of the Bijuu.
    They might have, but I don't remember it if they did.

    Hmm, never thought about the sealing technique of the Bijuu's...
    I thought Naruto could utilize the full power of the Kyuubi if only he knew how. He never used it before by command, until the first time he called Gamabunta out. First it was his emotions, then sorta by luck and stamina. And still, he's hasn't been able to harness all the power of the kyuubi.

    It's still the same principle, a Bijuu is sealed inside a human body. The Bijuu is restricted to take over the host. Although Shukaku did try to take over, but didn't this had something to do with the host being unstable. As we can all recall what a psycho Gaara was in the past
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    It's still the same principle, a Bijuu is sealed inside a human body. The Bijuu is restricted to take over the host. Although Shukaku did try to take over, but didn't this had something to do with the host being unstable. As we can all recall what a psycho Gaara was in the past
    No......

    All Gaara had to do for Shukaku to take over his body was sleep. Kyubi has a bit less freedom than that =P
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    It also needs to be remembered Gaara has always been protected, whether he wanted it or not, autonomously by the bijuu chakra. So, I think he didn't especially need to learn to tap into that power (though he needed to develop techniques of course) nor did he need to be under tremendous stress like Naruto was under Haku's bloodline limit jutsu. That also suggests the sealing used to trap Shukaku inside Gaara left the beast much closer to the surface, for good and for bad.

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    I don't recall Gaara's sand shield ability originating from the shukaku. The only explanation we've had of that IIRC is it's his mother's love.

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    Hmm... Well, I suppose that's possible. The demon just sounds more plausible to me than something cheesy like his mother's love. But who knows. You could be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySee
    I don't recall Gaara's sand shield ability originating from the shukaku. The only explanation we've had of that IIRC is it's his mother's love.
    That was simply what his uncle told him in the beginning. However later as he was dieing he told Gaara that his mother didn't love him at all, and in fact he was a child she didn't want. It starts at 7:13 in ep 77 if you want to refresh your memory.

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    Who knows what was truth/lies from that guy. Anyway, it could very well be some sort of seal/spell/technique put on by his mother/father/that old lady. No one's explained why it says "love" on his forehead. I'm guessing that's the seal or symbol for it.

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    JaySee. You should probably watch episodes 35-75 of the original Naruto series. Your assumptions are making me lol.

    They've explained all this, Gaara wasn't loved by anyone as a child. This was the central theme of Gaara's existence and they drilled it into the viewers' heads even up till these past shippuuden eps. The love tattoo was created by Gaara himself in the flashback where he kills his uncle, along with the realization he makes that only he will ever love himself. The mother has nothing to do with any passive sand shield.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    JaySee. You should probably watch episodes 35-75 of the original Naruto series. Your assumptions are making me lol.

    They've explained all this, Gaara wasn't loved by anyone as a child. This was the central theme of Gaara's existence and they drilled it into the viewers' heads even up till these past shippuuden eps. The love tattoo was created by Gaara himself in the flashback where he kills his uncle, along with the realization he makes that only he will ever love himself. The mother has nothing to do with any passive sand shield.
    I thought the blood of his mother has merged with the sand. And so protecting Gaara on it's own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    I thought the blood of his mother has merged with the sand. And so protecting Gaara on it's own.
    I thought the sand was already protecting Gaara which is why his mother's attempt to kill Gaara failed...

    That was his mother right? If not, I need to rewatch... Been too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    I thought the blood of his mother has merged with the sand. And so protecting Gaara on it's own.
    You thought wrong.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Id3aLiStiC
    I thought the sand was already protecting Gaara which is why his mother's attempt to kill Gaara failed...

    That was his mother right? If not, I need to rewatch... Been too long.
    That was hic uncle Yashamaru.

    Episode 76, around 11:50
    Quoting Yashamaru:

    The Shukaku of the Sand is a living soul that is usually used for combat purposes.
    The sand automatically protects you because of love.
    I believe the will of your mother is inside the sand.
    My sister probably wanted to protect you, even after her death.

    Next episode around 6:40

    My sister did not wish for your birth.
    She became this village sacrifice, and she died cursing this village.

    About the love symbol on his head, his mother gave him the name Gaara. An Asura that loves himself (Asura: an enemy of the gods in Hindu mythology, a demon) Love only yourself. And fight only for yourself. He is not loved, even by his mother...

    Hmm, so the love part of his mother isn't true
    Well, then I'm out. Not gonna look for more. At least it kinda refreshed it.
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    No episode this week.
    Next episode will be next thursday.
    Then another no-episode week.

    Anybody know if there are any events these days at Japan? (and Im not talking about anything major, it can be double-episode for another series or something)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    JaySee. You should probably watch episodes 35-75 of the original Naruto series. Your assumptions are making me lol.

    They've explained all this, Gaara wasn't loved by anyone as a child. This was the central theme of Gaara's existence and they drilled it into the viewers' heads even up till these past shippuuden eps. The love tattoo was created by Gaara himself in the flashback where he kills his uncle, along with the realization he makes that only he will ever love himself. The mother has nothing to do with any passive sand shield.
    Mother died during or soon after his birth.
    I definitely don't recall him giving himself the tatoo in the anime.
    If that did happen, it might be in the manga. I didn't start reading the manga until much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    JaySee. You should probably watch episodes 35-75 of the original Naruto series. Your assumptions are making me lol.
    Dude. You keep questioning details that are blatantly revealed in yes, the anime.
    After Yashamaru dies, Gaara's sheer anger causes a massive concentrated blast of sand to hit his forehead and carve the "AI" tattoo.

    Rewatch the Gaara backstory episode before you incessantly argue about what was or wasn't in there.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    I'll look into that. Like, I said, I don't recall it.
    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    Gaara wasn't loved by anyone as a child. This was the central theme of Gaara's existence and they drilled it into the viewers' heads even up till these past shippuuden eps.
    This is still a stupid statement having nothing to do with his mother and/or the sand shield.

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    JaySee, your complete refusal to listen to common sense in favor of your twisted logic is crudely appalling yet strangely admirable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySee
    I definitely don't recall him giving himself the tatoo in the anime.
    Not that you'll bother to go look, but you can see this in episode 77 starting at 9:57 (AonE version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySee
    I'll look into that. Like, I said, I don't recall it.
    I'm the one with screwy logic? Someone just said he'd look into it. Someone just assumed that he would not look into it after the fact. Hmm...
    Thanks for saving me the time to search for it though.

    Funny how everyone's attacking me on the stupid tatoo and not on the actual issue here...

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