Naruto Shippuuden Episode 16

[DarthEnderX]

If you look at the whole, then Edo Tensei is a much better jutsu than the shapeshifting jutsu (Shouten no jutsu). Where you are limited with the death of the possessed, Edo tensei doesn't have that. When limbs are severed they would grow back, all the jutsu's the former shinobi had are still usable. Seems like Oro would win this one thanks to his research

I also think that is the people being cloned by his technique weren't so tied up extracting Gaara beast that the fight would have been alot more even.

I mean, whats to say you can't, say, give your clone 95% of your chakra while you go relax someplace?

[Nai]

I knew Zetsu was a badass from the moment I saw him. Now we have him running around eating corpses while making conversation with his plant friend. Seems like he was really keen on the idea of devouring Kisame's sacrifice, too.

I seriously cannot wait to see this guy actually fight. He, in my opinion, has some of the most ideal ninja skills out there. Not to mention the fact that his whole body is seemingly embedded into that plant of his. Now that just screams ultimate defense.

[ASSpirine]

I also think that is the people being cloned by his technique weren't so tied up extracting Gaara beast that the fight would have been alot more even.

I mean, whats to say you can't, say, give your clone 95% of your chakra while you go relax someplace?

We saw Itachi and Kisame "waking up" when their "clones" were dead. So this meand they were very vulnerable at that time. If they get attacked and they manage to be alive, then I think the chakra you used for the clone will just vaporise into the air. So leaving the user with only 5%. At least that's what I think.

But the fact that they did this with a middle man (Zero) is interesting.

[DarthEnderX]

We saw Itachi and Kisame "waking up" when their "clones" were dead. So this meand they were very vulnerable at that time. If they get attacked and they manage to be alive, then I think the chakra you used for the clone will just vaporise into the air. So leaving the user with only 5%. At least that's what I think.

Oh I agree with you that that's how it works. But I would think that having a clone fight your enemies with 95% of your enemies with the offchance that someone else comes up on your real self is still preferrable to fighting your enemies in person with 100% of your power and dying if you lose.

[KCMmmmm]

Oh I agree with you that that's how it works. But I would think that having a clone fight your enemies with 95% of your enemies with the offchance that someone else comes up on your real self is still preferrable to fighting your enemies in person with 100% of your power and dying if you lose.

Unless the jutsu is limited to 30% chakra in its nature, and wasn't just decided on so they could continue to perform the extraction. The way I see it, every jutsu in the Naruto world has to have a counter, or a weak point. What if the weak point of the "Meat Puppet Jutsu" (I like that name...) is that no more than 30% of the user's Chakra can be used under any conditions? I think that would make a suitable weakness, and it would limit the jutsu to allow Akatsuki to defeat weak enemies, create distractions, and reconnaissance. On the other hand....what if the jutsu were limited by the container (the possessed body) being only able to hold the maximum amount of chakra which the original body was able to hold? Though that's unlikely, as Neji was able to see Kisame's enormous chakra....but still, it's a thought.

[DarthEnderX]

Unless the jutsu is limited to 30% chakra in its nature, and wasn't just decided on so they could continue to perform the extraction. The way I see it, every jutsu in the Naruto world has to have a counter, or a weak point. What if the weak point of the "Meat Puppet Jutsu" (I like that name...) is that no more than 30% of the user's Chakra can be used under any conditions? I think that would make a suitable weakness, and it would limit the jutsu to allow Akatsuki to defeat weak enemies, create distractions, and reconnaissance. On the other hand....what if the jutsu were limited by the container (the possessed body) being only able to hold the maximum amount of chakra which the original body was able to hold? Though that's unlikely, as Neji was able to see Kisame's enormous chakra....but still, it's a thought.

Kisame said during the episode that "we didn't give them as much chakra as we could have". So I'd say, no, 30% is not the limit.

[ASSpirine]

Also a question yet unanswered. How many of clones can they make with the Shouten no jutsu? Who says it has to be limited by 1? If it is so, then it definately loses to Edo Tensei (for me).

[KCMmmmm]

Also a question yet unanswered. How many of clones can they make with the Shouten no jutsu? Who says it has to be limited by 1? If it is so, then it definately loses to Edo Tensei (for me).

Well, I don't think either is really inferior, they are merely different techniques. The Shouten is designed to give the user complete control over the bodies sacrificed. So much control, that their chakra takes over entirely, shifting the shape of the 'possessed' to suit the appearance and technical level of the user.

On the other hand, the Edo Tensei is a jutsu which morphs sacrificed bodies to bring back the souls of the dead in those bodies, at which point, it appears the souls still contain their own personality and consciousness. (Remember that Orochimaru had to place kunai with exploding scrolls attached into the minds of the first and second hokage before they would even fight the third.) I especially like the way in which Orochimaru turned that jutsu to his advantage: having the third battle his respected predecessors certainly unnerved him quite a bit.

Essentially, these two jutsu are complete opposites: the first mentioned uses living sacrifices to allow a living person to take control over the possessed body. And the latter utilizes a dead sacrifice to give the soul of the dead control of the body. They both have advantages and disadvantages.

DarthEnder: thanks for pointing that out, I must have forgotten that bit of dialog. Good point.

[Assertn]

Oh I agree with you that that's how it works. But I would think that having a clone fight your enemies with 95% of your enemies with the offchance that someone else comes up on your real self is still preferrable to fighting your enemies in person with 100% of your power and dying if you lose.

Unless someone coming up on your real self and killing you is more likely than you dying without the use of clones.