Oh I agree with you that that's how it works. But I would think that having a clone fight your enemies with 95% of your enemies with the offchance that someone else comes up on your real self is still preferrable to fighting your enemies in person with 100% of your power and dying if you lose.Originally Posted by ASSpirine
Unless the jutsu is limited to 30% chakra in its nature, and wasn't just decided on so they could continue to perform the extraction. The way I see it, every jutsu in the Naruto world has to have a counter, or a weak point. What if the weak point of the "Meat Puppet Jutsu" (I like that name...) is that no more than 30% of the user's Chakra can be used under any conditions? I think that would make a suitable weakness, and it would limit the jutsu to allow Akatsuki to defeat weak enemies, create distractions, and reconnaissance. On the other hand....what if the jutsu were limited by the container (the possessed body) being only able to hold the maximum amount of chakra which the original body was able to hold? Though that's unlikely, as Neji was able to see Kisame's enormous chakra....but still, it's a thought.
Unless someone coming up on your real self and killing you is more likely than you dying without the use of clones.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Kisame said during the episode that "we didn't give them as much chakra as we could have". So I'd say, no, 30% is not the limit.
Also a question yet unanswered. How many of clones can they make with the Shouten no jutsu? Who says it has to be limited by 1? If it is so, then it definately loses to Edo Tensei (for me).
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Well, I don't think either is really inferior, they are merely different techniques. The Shouten is designed to give the user complete control over the bodies sacrificed. So much control, that their chakra takes over entirely, shifting the shape of the 'possessed' to suit the appearance and technical level of the user.
On the other hand, the Edo Tensei is a jutsu which morphs sacrificed bodies to bring back the souls of the dead in those bodies, at which point, it appears the souls still contain their own personality and consciousness. (Remember that Orochimaru had to place kunai with exploding scrolls attached into the minds of the first and second hokage before they would even fight the third.) I especially like the way in which Orochimaru turned that jutsu to his advantage: having the third battle his respected predecessors certainly unnerved him quite a bit.
Essentially, these two jutsu are complete opposites: the first mentioned uses living sacrifices to allow a living person to take control over the possessed body. And the latter utilizes a dead sacrifice to give the soul of the dead control of the body. They both have advantages and disadvantages.
DarthEnder: thanks for pointing that out, I must have forgotten that bit of dialog. Good point.
Were those kunais with explosive notes? I thought it was something to "brainwash" and take full control. Make the mind go blank.
Also, the floating Gaara took like a half an episode by now. Why do they have to show him everytime. He's not gonna change into a purple colour or something... The time we watched Gaara suffering we could have had some more action (or dialogue)
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Yeah, I don't think those were exploding tags. Sure they look like exploding tags, but that's just the way those generic little japanese scrolls look. You could put any kind of spell on those tags.
Probably because Itachi fought a jinchuuriki, and Kisame didn't.
I would guess there is a time limit to the jutsu or you have to be near the actual sacraficed body/clone. Otherwise you could place almost all your chakra into a sacrafice and have no worries of dieing.
well i do believe more than 30% chakra can be placed in the clone and to prove kisame said "we only placed 30% chakra into them", it was a bold statement giving us our answer.
Know some things to think about...
-with 30% chakra into the clone, what about the clones chakra, does their chakra add to the 30%?
-why is itachi so strong, he isn't a jinchuuri (sorry for spelling) nor did he so something like sasuke did, so why is he so strong?
-One of the clones is from the sand village, he was there for four years, and when the old lady said something about when the clone joined the sand vill. the timing was just right when akatsuki was making their move or something like that, does that mean the clone was under control the whole time or was he a spy for akatsuki not being controlled?
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Edo Tensai is the most broke move in the entire series. So far we have not seen any possible way to beat it aside from summoning the death god.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
1. We don't really have a lot of other Uchiha to compare him to. All we know is that the Uchiha were once the villages strongest clan and I think it was said that only 2 or 3 other people in the Clans history had achieved Mangekyu. We have no idea how strong those others were in comparison. On top of that he can use Tsukuyomi which seems to be a stronger version of the Mangekyou, and something that was never mentioned as being used by the others who had achieved Mangekyou. Basically for all we know he's just simply reached the maximum strength possible for a member of the Uchiha clan.
2. If you go back to the Episode where Sasori and his partner approach the sand village there is a part where Sasori activates some kind of technique he had placed on Yurra. It appears that until that technique was activated he was loyal to the sand and had no memory of whatever interaction he'd had with Sasori previously. So i suppose the answer is that he was being controlled, but not until Sasori showed up at the Village of the sand and reactivated his technique.
You could always just be more powerful that the guy doing the summoning and all the dead people he summons.
When I rewatched Naruto, I skipped the Orochimaru vs Third battle simply because I can't understand the Edo Tensai. The past Hokages were supposed to be really great people, yet if you summon their spirits, it seems to be child's play to make them go against everything they believed in while living in full power? What the heck is that? I have to agree with Assertn even if for different reasons: I can't consider it but a broken move until it's explained in such detail that even I can figure it out.
Oro is certainly powerful, but if one of his best moves is one I can't accept, then I have troubles considering him really strong compared to people who give me no such troubles.
Well this could water down to "ninjas are tools", which was examined in the Zabuza arc (credit to XanBCoo for the reminder). Even though they have their original spirits, they are still the attack dogs for whoever controls them.
It's like in Bleach, Byakuya's single-minded following of the rules of Sereitei and the judgment of the office of 46, even if it means his little sister dies.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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