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    I disagree. Gaara's fight had purpose and gave depth to his character. The Kankuro fight was just a plot device. That's why it wasn't drawn out in the manga. I've already said how terribly they filled it in. Any fights without Naruto there to give a speech or a flashback of a previous Naruto speech are just fights to move the plot along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assassin
    Also, the same applies to gai. It's never been said that once you're team graduates, you get a new team rite away. He could just be a "free" jounin like neji and the others, doing missions (which is what thier real job is).

    Not to mention that he could have a team, and still have been sent on this mission because he's uniquely qualified. He's one of the strongest jounin in konoha, he knows his team mates and thier strenghts/weakneses really well, he has experience facing akatsuki members before, as well as experience fighting against the sharingan.
    You can also compare it to team Kakashi...where it's not a team of teacher and pupils, but equally respected shinobi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    You can also compare it to team Kakashi...where it's not a team of teacher and pupils, but equally respected shinobi.

    I'm sorry but I don't see it as equally respected Shinobi, its Kakashi leading Sakura and Naruto still.

    Its still Gai leading the team, even look at how they stand in the Episode its Gai standing forefront others arrayed to the sides of him, its Kakashi in front.

    While everyone is making reasons why Neji and Gai are working in same team, the fact that your making reasons means the storytelling simply is not good enough at this extended lifespan of the entire series.

    Are we to assume in the time jump that there haven't been graduating classes, are we to assume that the village only has these ninja that we can all name, and the village really depends on them for security. If so then the story fails by having the same teams exist or same people out together on the same mission.

    Don't get me wrong they get very small parts/scenes right, the part where kakashi says blind itachi, then the camera switches to where we see Itachi blink as if in reflective thought was perfect, and well drawn to express the unwritten emotion in Itachi's eyes......however we still should reasonably believe Itachi is gonna open multiple cans of whoopass

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    So you mean to imply there are so few Jounins so have to disband previous teams, which aren't anymore of teacher - student relationship, but of understanding having worked togeteher for years, so they can teach newbies?

    Remember Naruto's graduating class.
    30 Genin... from which only 9 remained active according to the 66% rate of failure of the 'equivalent-bell' test.

    3 freaking Jounin started teaching. And if the 66% failure rate wasn't real, it would mean it would have been 10 Jounin.

    Does Konoha has so few Jounin, as make it seem, that they need to asign a Jounin who previously had a team, a new team?

    Answer... NO.

    The way I see Kishimoto showing these, is that a Jounin never takes a 2nd team. And before you said Kakashi failed many before... it was because of the same reason. He never teached before, and once he had a team he isn't needed to teach a 2nd one.

    Thus, only Neji could have a team currently, as everybody else is Chuunin, and the Jounin already had a team before.

    Konohamaru's team graduated, and they were given to a Jounin who most likely never had a team before, Ebisu. Remember he used to 'teach' Konohamaru before, so he didn't have a team.

    You do not see Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto as equals? Too bad for you. They were taught by Sannins. And that, in their world, is enough. Maybe not to us, who only see a fraction of their time, but they never mention things lightly in their world.

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    Kakashi was taught by Yondaime, the most powerful ninja Konoha ever produced. Kakashi himself might consider them equals, as he will be relying on them for backup, but truly they still do not rival his skill/and or ability yet.

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    Angrygumball has a good point, it is weak storytelling to keep these teams together, but RyougaZell isn't too far off either.

    These are A or S rank missions, going up against Akatsuki S-class villains, so you're not going to see any rookie Genin or even Chuunin in these episodes, even if more Genins and Chuunins have graduated or been promoted in Konoha. Besides, why would Kishimoto introduce even more characters when the current batch is already so under-utilized?


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    I think you have to look at as a function of story-telling. There are already a lot of characters that the show is trying to follow. It really wouldn't be very well served by introducing entire squads of new Konoha characters.

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    Why would it be stronger story-telling to split them up?

    An important aspect of a team is.....you know.....teamwork, and your teamwork is stronger when you keep the same group of people together for all their missions. Everyone on Gai's team knows their strengths and weaknesses, and are able to effortlessly pull off combo attacks this way (as shown with Gai's team vs Kisame several times in this ep).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    Why would it be stronger story-telling to split them up?

    An important aspect of a team is.....you know.....teamwork, and your teamwork is stronger when you keep the same group of people together for all their missions. Everyone on Gai's team knows their strengths and weaknesses, and are able to effortlessly pull off combo attacks this way (as shown with Gai's team vs Kisame several times in this ep).


    I meant it was stronger story-telling for them to stay together as they are now. I was using story-telling as a response to the people saying the teams should be broken up. If everyone was broken up you would have to introduce new characters or heavily flesh-out background characters and that just seems like a little bit too much at this point. There are already a lot of characters that are being managed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    Why would it be stronger story-telling to split them up?

    An important aspect of a team is.....you know.....teamwork, and your teamwork is stronger when you keep the same group of people together for all their missions. Everyone on Gai's team knows their strengths and weaknesses, and are able to effortlessly pull off combo attacks this way (as shown with Gai's team vs Kisame several times in this ep).
    It would be more realistic to split up pupils from their teacher, and send out a team of equals on an S-class mission. Yes they have worked together, but Neji is a relatively new Jounin and Tenten and Lee are still Chuunin (I think), so sending them out on an S-class mission doesn't make much sense. I don't know how busy Konoha is mission-wise, but I'd rather have a team of Gai, Kurenai, and Asuma chasing an S-class villain.

    Another problem with this team is a mistake from Kishimoto: it's basically a team of taijutsu users. Where's the balance in that?

    Of course, another part of people's arguments is why isn't Gai with a new team of Genins, and Neji working with other Jounin or having his own team. Like boilerph said, that would introduce too many new genins or force the writers to elaborate on other Jounins that go too far outside the manga storyline.


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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