Naruto Shippuuden Episode 13

[masamuneehs]

i didn't think it was horrible, but probably should have been better...

I think it's clear Kakashi is hinting at Mangekyou Sharingan causing blindness over time. I watched Rasengan Fansubs this time, and the way they subbed it made it quite clear that Itachi might be losing his eyesight by employing that jutsu. Also, Itachi's surprise comes from Kakashi figuring this out, since it seems like only someone who has obtained Mangekyou and felt the adverse effects would know this (or was told)

The stuff with Gai was stupid and annoying. Tenten has clearly fallen behind the rest of her group, she always looked very scared and unsure whenever Kisame attacked. I agree that the three of them getting trapped in the Water Prison tech was quite lame. They had just seen that Kisame could make a Water Clone, so they should be on the look out for him having a Bunshin Clone jutsu as well...

I agree about the peripheral vision thing, but I don't think that accidentally seeing his eyes would do it. I think your brain would have to register it (Itachi using his Tsukyomi (sp) jutsu on the person) consciously, or otherwise how can the Genjutsu take effect?

the cutting between the scenes is also getting on my nerves. like i said, this episode is not terrible imo, especially since I don't have inflated expectations from reading the manga, but it could have been better.

oh, and a friendly reminder. if you get caught in the heat of the moment and spoil, i may just get caught up in the heat of the moment and ban you. fair?

[itadakimasu]

XanBcoo: from that dialogue between itachi and kakashi, the only thing i pulled from it is that kakashi is suggesting that itachi's eye seight has gone bad from his repeated use of the sharingan.



Spoiler of the century !!!! naruto can only get better !!!!!!!!!!! keep watching!!!!

that is... unless they begin fillers again.

[XanBcoo]

@bbaucom - Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

@XanBcoo: Because deteriorating eyesight is something only a Mangekyou user must experience. If every Sharingan user faced that problem they would be a really pathetic clan, as they would all be blind after using the Sharingan a few times!

I...don't think you got my point. I don't see what this reply has to do with what I said. Kakashi's question was addressed to Itachi about Itachi's eyesight. Why anyone would pull from that that Kakashi has experience with deteriorating eyesight himself is beyond me.

Perhaps if he had said something along the lines of: "Has your eyesight gotten as bad as mine?" or "I know how bad your eyesight must have gotten." then I'd agree. But he was asking a question about the state of Itachi's eyes after explaining how he figured out they were being strained. The only possible interpretation of that is a taunt.

It's like me saying "Doctor's agree that wearing glasses improves poor vision. Coincidentally, your friend also said it seemed your eyesight is improving. Is your eyesight really improving?"

and you assuming: "XanBcoo wears glasses."

And I doubt Kakashi just heard it from someone or read a book, as there have only been like 3 users of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Information must certainly be scarce on it.

Kakashi has had plenty of experience with it. It's been used on him before, and he's been able to deduce the effects of MS on the user as a result of Itachi's actions. He also remembers what Kisame (who works alongside Itachi and knows about MS's effects) said. That's all he needed, and that's not just me saying that. Itachi even praises him for figuring this out. There is no lack of information here. As always, the anime makes the simplest of concepts irritatingly clear.

[animus]

I do believe it's easy to deduce that he might have a Mang Sharingan. The direct quote from DB's subs is "Itachi, how bad has your eyesight gotten?". I think it's one of those questions that you use in comparison to yourself. To emphasize my point the question could possibly be asked this way, Itachi how bad has YOUR eyesight gotten? You say it's a taunt, but do you really think Itachi would really have a shocked reaction like he did to a taunt? Kakashi already stated to Itachi that he knew the technique had dangers to the eyes from use, and like you said Itachi even praises him for it. So it's an extremely logical situation to assume Kakashi might have it just from the next statement and Itachi's reaction.

[UChessmaster]

I do believe it's easy to deduce that he might have a Mang Sharingan. The direct quote from DB's subs is "Itachi, how bad has your eyesight gotten?". I think it's one of those questions that you use in comparison to yourself. To emphasize my point the question could possibly be asked this way, Itachi how bad has YOUR eyesight gotten? You say it's a taunt, but do you really think Itachi would really have a shocked reaction like he did to a taunt? Kakashi already stated to Itachi that he knew the technique had dangers to the eyes from use, and like you said Itachi even praises him for it. So it's an extremely logical situation to assume Kakashi might have it just from the next statement and Itachi's reaction.

It can`t be a comparison, because in order to compare you need two "subjects" to compare, if he said something like... is your eyesight as bad as mine? then it will be completely plausible, kakashi deducted that itachi can`t use mangekyou a lot, because

A) Itachi was tired the first time he used it

B) They even showed a flash of Kisame saying out loud how he shouldn`t be using it or whatever (this one should be enough giveaway...)

Kakashi: After using that technique, you were very fatigued and retreated inmediately

(Flashback) Kisame: Itachi-san, it`s dangerous for you to use your eyes too much

Kakashi: Besides using a large amount of chakra, using that technique poses a huge risk to your eyes right itachi?

I`m focusing in what Kisame said and second part of Kakashi`s last sentence... they basically sayd the same, i don`t see something that needs to be overanalyzed or anything, maybe i`m missing something.

[XanBcoo]

Actually, animus does have a point, I'll admit. If Kakashi was indeed emphasizing "your" in that sentence, it does slightly change the way Itachi could have inferred it.

Even so, that whole exchange still doesn't ring true for me.

[Yukimura]

This is a good example of a situation where something may have been lost in translation too. Does anyone know if there was anything about the way Kakashi actually worded the statement that might have put extra emphasis somewhere meaningful?

Otherwise the evidence is just circumstantial. It's like Light in Death Note, there are lots of things about him that would make perfect sense if he was Kira, but none of it proves he is. In the same way Kakashi's statement and Itachi's reaction would make sense if Kakashi had Mangekyou, but it obviously doesn't prove anything since there are also other explanations.

On the flip side until Kakashi produces a new jutsu that isn't Mangekyou it'll impossible to dispell the suspicion.