Naruto Shippuuden Episode 13

[Animeniax]

As usual, I disagree with most of you about the quality of this episode. I thought it was pretty good, with good action and some story progression.

I didn't like the switching between fights, especially since not much happened in the Itachi/Kakashi fight. I know it's his character, but impetuous Naruto gets old fast, and you just want him to shut up and sit still, considering that when he does act, he gets caught in a genjutsu so easily. Also, all 3 of Gai's pupils attacking the same way and getting caught in the same trap was hard to believe.

New techniques for Neji was cool. Gai taking Kisame's sword was beautifully done as well. Tenten warning Lee and Neji about the big ass wave coming straight for them was stupid, followed later by Lee warning Gai and Tenten about the big ass wave coming straight for them. I guess they didn't see it coming as soon as Lee. Chiyo having to explain 2 on 1 fighting to Naruto was freaking stupid.

The preview was hilarious, with the watershow announcer analogy. Sounds like a typical Japanese commercial with lots of hype and exclamation points. Plus, it showed Gai using nunchakus! Too cool.

[DB_Hunter]

I know this may be a contentious suggestion, but if people are trying to indirectly spoil by using manga knowledge to point anime watchers in the right direction then perhaps they should be prevented from posting in this forum?

Now I can't really judge the scale of this, and I others who are anime only watchers would be in the same boat as me. But the moderators in charge of the forums who do watch the manga need to consider this.

@Manga "Prophets": People, anime watchers don't read the manga because they enjoy understanding the story through the television series. We like to speculate about it here just as you guys do in the manga forums. The difference is you guys can genuinly speculate as there is no one to spoil it for you, whilst for us there is.

Just understand one point. Anime watchers are not so stupid as not to realise that the answers to our speculations probably already exist in the manga. There is nothing clever or fantastic about you coming in to this forum and giving the answers to people who don't want to know. If we wanted to know the answer that bad we would read the manga.

So stop getting a boner over spoiling and get a life.

[animus]

I know this may be a contentious suggestion, but if people are trying to indirectly spoil by using manga knowledge to point anime watchers in the right direction then perhaps they should be prevented from posting in this forum?

Now I can't really judge the scale of this, and I others who are anime only watchers would be in the same boat as me. But the moderators in charge of the forums who do watch the manga need to consider this.

@Manga "Prophets": People, anime watchers don't read the manga because they enjoy understanding the story through the television series. We like to speculate about it here just as you guys do in the manga forums. The difference is you guys can genuinly speculate as there is no one to spoil it for you, whilst for us there is.

Just understand one point. Anime watchers are not so stupid as not to realise that the answers to our speculations probably already exist in the manga. There is nothing clever or fantastic about you coming in to this forum and giving the answers to people who don't want to know. If we wanted to know the answer that bad we would read the manga.

So stop getting a boner over spoiling and get a life.

I think you're overreacting. No one was revelling in the fact of spoiling, spoils can slip due to excitement that one has the knowledge and are antsy to share. Me, being a manga reader, opted out from posting manga knowledge or to add speculation that didn't exist. But seriously, that last sentence was totally unnecessary and quite immature.

[Animeniax]

Dude, making unnecessary and immature statements are so much fun. You should try it sometime.

I have to agree with db_hunter, some people need to keep their manga-induced observations to themselves, as they are spoiling it for the anime-only fans, even if they don't intend to. The constant comparison between the anime and manga is also annoying. Sorry if the anime's elaboration of a scene doesn't measure up to your own when you read the manga. We don't care to hear about it though.

[?igma]

I'm starting to get quite sad with Naruto.

Instead of the intellectual progress Naruto makes ( or should be making ), smarter in fights, clever tactics, understanding of the enemy, they made him some power animal that is there like some explosive Hulk.

However, what seperates the Hulk from Naruto, is that the Hulk at least, had one smart form. Naruto, is just dumb and when I say dumb, I mean retarded kind of dumb. Not to mention that the fightscenes are also all idiotically dumb! It's as if they all lost the capability to think themselves. No wai ? I shouldnt look into someones eyes when they got all these weird red and black thingies in them even though I knew this like, from episode 5 ? you kidding me ? Damn I must be really....riiiighttttttt

[bagandscalpel]

However, what seperates the Hulk from Naruto, is that the Hulk at least, had one smart form. Naruto, is just dumb and when I say dumb, I mean retarded kind of dumb. Not to mention that the fightscenes are also all idiotically dumb! It's as if they all lost the capability to think themselves. No wai ? I shouldnt look into someones eyes when they got all these weird red and black thingies in them even though I knew this like, from episode 5 ? you kidding me ? Damn I must be really....riiiighttttttt

If it's any consolation, does the semblance of furious animal instinct while under Kyuubi influence count?

[redcat]

one thing I dont understand is how they can look at itachi from so far away and look at him from his chin down. do they not have any peripheral vision?

spoils can slip due to excitement that one has the knowledge and are antsy to share.

if you have this problem seriously gtfo

[Animeniax]

I'm starting to get quite sad with Naruto.

Instead of the intellectual progress Naruto makes ( or should be making ), smarter in fights, clever tactics, understanding of the enemy, they made him some power animal that is there like some explosive Hulk.

However, what seperates the Hulk from Naruto, is that the Hulk at least, had one smart form. Naruto, is just dumb and when I say dumb, I mean retarded kind of dumb.

I guess one thing I want to hear from the manga readers is, is Naruto this dumb in the manga? To be fair, he grew up without parents and few friends, so he's bound to be dumb. But when a hero is that obnoxious, it's hard to root for him. Is this just a fault of the anime writers, or Kishimoto's characterization of Naruto?

However, pointing out the anime/manga differences I think are important.

I don't agree at all. I'm here to discuss what happened in the anime episode I just watched, not the differences between the anime and the manga. If I wanted to know the differences, I'd go read the manga. I also could care less if something is in the anime that wasn't in the manga. After all, a 25 minute anime will contain material not included in the 3 issues of 18 page manga. If I cared that much about Kishimoto's "vision" of the Naruto world, I'd go read the manga.

[DB_Hunter]

Regarding manga readers: There are some manga readers who can keep things to themselves. Its sad that a few rotten apples have to spoil it for others. I just think people who go on both manga and anime forums need to be regulated carefully. I don't know if its just me, but it seems that before the Naruto series hit the fillers, we didn't have this problem on the forums. We could have just picked up the idiots with the fillers.

The Episode:

I would agree with people that Naruto is tending too much towards DBZ style fighting. As much as I love DBZ style fighting, it doesn't suit Naruto. Bleach is better suited for that sort of thing.

I found it to be so stupid when Naruto said to Itachi that he isn't the same as he used to be, when Kakashi made a similar comment. I mean Kakashi was already a bad ass jounin, and even now he isn't being arrogant and saying he can take on Itachi by himself. I think Itachi should just annihilate Naruto for the principle of it all. No one, even the hero of the series, should be allowed to get away with such stupidiy.

[JaySee]

I know this may be a contentious suggestion, but if people are trying to indirectly spoil by using manga knowledge to point anime watchers in the right direction then perhaps they should be prevented from posting in this forum?

Now I can't really judge the scale of this, and I others who are anime only watchers would be in the same boat as me. But the moderators in charge of the forums who do watch the manga need to consider this.

@Manga "Prophets": People, anime watchers don't read the manga because they enjoy understanding the story through the television series. We like to speculate about it here just as you guys do in the manga forums. The difference is you guys can genuinly speculate as there is no one to spoil it for you, whilst for us there is.

Just understand one point. Anime watchers are not so stupid as not to realise that the answers to our speculations probably already exist in the manga. There is nothing clever or fantastic about you coming in to this forum and giving the answers to people who don't want to know. If we wanted to know the answer that bad we would read the manga.

So stop getting a boner over spoiling and get a life.

I said this in a much shorter form a while back. I found it odd known manga readers were "speculating" future episodes. I got a response like "We're just repeating what we thought back then in the manga or what we would've thought if we didn't know."

Confirming or denying anything as spoiler/prophecy is spoiler/prophecy in itself, nub - Assertnfailure

Did I point to anything specific? NOPE! "Nub!" It's quite obvious who the spoilers are as their so-called "prophecies" seem to continually come true. Any idiot could figure it out.

However, pointing out the anime/manga differences I think are important. As a anime-only watcher of bleach (because I think it sucks, but entertains me somewhat until Naruto comes out) and a manga reader of Naruto, a lot of things are censored and not fully explained in the Anime that should be pointed out. Censorship I can understand, but why take out details? Isn't the anime supposed to flesh out the manga? Don't they need to delay catching up to the manga as much as possible? It's especially important to point out the filler crap added in.

[XanBcoo]

Man, the tiny bit of Itachi action in this episode completely renewed my respect for the guy. All you gotta do is look at the guy, and he'll fuck your shit up without using any overt or obvious movements.

However, pointing out the anime/manga differences I think are important. As a anime-only watcher of bleach (because I think it sucks, but entertains me somewhat until Naruto comes out) and a manga reader of Naruto, a lot of things are censored and not fully explained in the Anime that should be pointed out. Censorship I can understand, but why take out details? Isn't the anime supposed to flesh out the manga? Don't they need to delay catching up to the manga as much as possible? It's especially important to point out the filler crap added in.

Totally agree with JaySee in this respect. It's not "necessary" to know how the manga did things differently, but it's definitely much more enjoyable to me having that extra knowledge.

For example, I think there was a part in the Sasuke/Naruto fight in episode 133, in which the anime left out the "shadow" of Naruto's moves that the manga had (as someone pointed out). Being aware of this gave me a much better understanding of how the sharingan worked. I don't know about everyone else, but I enjoy those little tidbits.

Also, Itachi's surprise comes from Kakashi figuring this out, since it seems like only someone who has obtained Mangekyou and felt the adverse effects would know this (or was told)

Kakashi deduces that Mangekyou Sharingan is detrimental to Itachi's sight because of how Itachi became fatigued and retreated after using it. Kakashi says this himself. It then shows Kisame saying out loud that it's dangerous for Itachi to use the Sharingan too much. I think that's how he figured it out, dudes...

[DB_Hunter]

Nope, I don't agree Kakashi figured it out by observation and by what Kisame said. Itachi's own words and reactions give it away. He acts shocked, and says "Kakashi-san, you couldn't have..." when Kakashi asks how bad his eyesight has become. This isn't consistent with Itachi's responses to Kakashi's previous deductions about the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you look at how that is shown in the anime as well, Itachi looks far more hostile towards Kakashi after that one remark than at any other time. This would seem to indicate that he is feeling threatned, or that he now knows he is in for a proper fight.

[XanBcoo]

Nope, I don't agree Kakashi figured it out by observation and by what Kisame said. Itachi's own words and reactions give it away. He acts shocked, and says "Kakashi-san, you couldn't have..." when Kakashi asks how bad his eyesight has become. This isn't consistent with Itachi's responses to Kakashi's previous deductions about the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you look at how that is shown in the anime as well, Itachi looks far more hostile towards Kakashi after that one remark than at any other time. This would seem to indicate that he is feeling threatned, or that he now knows he is in for a proper fight.

That's a huge leap in logic, even for Itachi. It's ridiculous.

*Kakashi finishes deducing how the Mangekyou Sharingan works based on evidence from past fights*
*Itachi congratulates Kakashi on his intellectual prowess*
Kakashi says: "How bad has your eyesight gotten?"
*Itachi suddenly assumes Kakashi has Mangekyou Sharingan*

Please tell me your recognize what I'm trying to say here...Viewer speculation aside, even inside the Naruto universe it's pretty illogical that Itachi would assume Kakashi had Mangekyou, just on that one seemingly irrelevant comment.

My conclusion on why Itachi was surprised is just as you said, he's realized he's been threatened because Kakashi has him figured out.

[Animeniax]

I'm disappointed at this apparent weakness with the mangekou sharingan. Itachi was a total badass with an ultimate weapon. Now we find out he has limiters and can only fire once or twice before the barrel melts. Kinda lame.

Actually the Manga is much faster. Unless you read at the kindergarten level. We're talking about a comic book here, not a novel.

Yeah, that's a quote from ATHF.