Naruto Shippuuden Episode 13

[Danad_corps]

ok so maybe they wouldnt get owned per-say. However, even if they were able to fight one-on-one and come out even, Kakashi and Gai are still in a losing situation. No matter how battle-hardened and powered-up the kids have gotten, they are no where near Gai's or Kakashi's strength and they don't have the necessary experience to handle themselves in such a situation. Having 3 others who are weaker, and less experienced, than yourself is definitely a hinderence in a fight (only ways i can see to counter it is to either attack hard and hope to have one of ur comrades see a weakness, or sacrifice someone). Now Gai and Kakashi have to fight as hard as they can AND make sure nothing bad happens to their respective teams. Already 3 of Gai's members are caught in the water-binding justu so that puts a time constraint and a rescue-mission constraint on his fight. Naruto's been caught in some genjustu and someone will have to snap him out of it (i don't remember him being able to "release" a genjustu - may be part of his growth we will see in the next ep tho). As much as Naruto's enthusiam is his best asset in this series, it would also be his greatest weakness if any of this were even semi-real. As many famous people of our time has said, "you gotta know when to quit."

Just for once i'd like to see someone die for being foolhardy. All this enthusiasm in anime has really gotten on my nerves lately. We need more shikamaru's (now HE knows when to quit!)

Anime trivia: what series did the name "inoshikocho" appear on before naruto (don't search for it a-holes! if u don't know then u don't know)? <--i only know of one series if u know another kudos to u!

[DarthEnderX]

We don't know for certain that he can't use the Mangekyou Sharingan. There must be various ways of obtaining it unless you are going to say that Sasuke can't obtain it without killing Naruto.

That makes no sense. Why the hell would the super secret technique have several different ways of learning it?

Although, all we know is you have to kill your best friend. I still don't know WHY you have to do it. Do you need your best friends heart for some kind of ritual? Or is it somehow symbolic.

Anyway, I'm assuming that since Gai is still alive, Kakashi doesn't have MangShar.

[mage]

The pacing was very bad.. This should have been a double episode.

[GreatLimmick]

Worth it to see chibi-Itachi get clocked on the back of the head with a stick.

[ASSpirine]

That makes no sense. Why the hell would the super secret technique have several different ways of learning it?

Although, all we know is you have to kill your best friend. I still don't know WHY you have to do it. Do you need your best friends heart for some kind of ritual? Or is it somehow symbolic.

Anyway, I'm assuming that since Gai is still alive, Kakashi doesn't have MangShar.

Sasuke said he was going to obtain the power of Itachi in another way. Because he didn't want to end up like his brother.

Still wondering about the: How bad have your eyes gotten part... Quite interesting, I would have thought a bigger fight between Kisame and team Gai, and more conversation between Itachi and Kakashi. The Itachi part I've guessed, but the slow almost no fighting part of Kisame not. It was quite boring at times, especially the, who are you parts...

Please, someone make Gai remember

[Necromas]

What did kakashi mean when he said , Itachi, how bad has your eyesight gotten? i have a few theories but i was wondering what you guys thought.

I think it's pretty obvious he's implying that Itachi's eyesight is getting worse every time he uses the mangekyou sharingan. But how would Kakashi know that much about it?

On another note, if you think about the conversation between Kakashi and Itachi when Kakashi asked him about his eyesight Itachi seemed somewhat shocked and confuesd, as if Kakashi shouldn't have known about that. Add that to the fact that Itachi didn't seem phased when Kakashi gave his rundown on how Tsukuyomi worked and it begs the question, why did Itachi seem surprised about Kakashi's knowledge of the eyesight, but not his knowledge about Tsukuyomi?

Well, obviously it's been used before by Itachi (on Kakashi himself even, but I think he talked about Tsukuyomi before getting caught in it then) and whoever in the past has been able to use the mangekyou sharingan, so it's not a big surprise that someone like Kakashi would know about it. But the eyesight problem would be much harder to find out just from researching Itachi and the mangekyou because obviously it's a weakness that would be a closely guarded secret.

[ASSpirine]

I think it's pretty obvious he's implying that Itachi's eyesight is getting worse every time he uses the mangekyou sharingan. But how would Kakashi know that much about it?



Well, obviously it's been used before by Itachi (on Kakashi himself even, but I think he talked about Tsukuyomi before getting caught in it then) and whoever in the past has been able to use the mangekyou sharingan, so it's not a big surprise that someone like Kakashi would know about it. But the eyesight problem would be much harder to find out just from researching Itachi and the mangekyou because obviously it's a weakness that would be a closely guarded secret.

I don't think there's much to research about the Mangekyou, since it has only appeared on 2 (or 3) Uchiha's. Don't think there's a handbook written about it. The only other option would be self experience, what would mean... But that's impossible I thought, only an Uchiha body could do that. Or was it only an Uchiha body that was best suited for Sharingan, with the easy fatigue and all. Hope they'll clarify it soon.

On another note, anyone noticed Naruto didn't use any Kage Bunshins to do his Rasengan? Could he have finally mastered it like Jiraiya? It was about time.

[Kraco]

I must be in some utter minority in thinking he didn't speak of actual bad eyesight. In fact, the whole idea didn't occur to me before I read this thread. When watching the episode, I thought Kakashi was just reminding Itachi that he's not the only one with a sharingan and that it's Kakashi specialty to copy techniques. Referring, metaphorically, to eyesight would suit an Uchiha since their ultimate jutsus depend on special eyes.

But now after reading this thread maybe Itachi indeed is risking his fancy eyes every time he visits a week's worth of torture upon someone in a second.

[Psyke]

Shippuden is forming a disturbing trend of the anime being much less exciting and suspenseful than the manga. When you read the action panels in the manga you have to fill in the blanks with your imagination, but what's being filled in by the anime is moving so slowly I can't imagine how anyone would have thought that this was what happend in the transitions between panels, let alone enjoyed it. That being said it wasn't that bad and a lot of interesting scenes happened inbetween all the lethargic action.

I agree. I especially hated the way the jumped from one fight to the other, with no developments especially in the Kakashi vs Itachi fight. Like the Bleach, other than some of the added stuff, I thought the transition to anime could have been done better.

[UChessmaster]

Kakashi was able to defeat Zabuza, who had assassinated a Kage, without too much effort at a point when he was much weaker than he is now.

No he didn`t, zabuza failed at killing the mizukage

And i agree with what most people say... this was a very slow episode and not a lot really happened with the team 7 vs. itachi fight...

[DB_Hunter]

I think its pretty obvious that Kakashi has obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan. There is no way Itachi would act as shocked as he did if the weaknesses of the Mangekyou Sharingan were available on the Wikipedia of the Naruto world.

Besides, it seems to fit in also when Kakashi tried telling Naruto and Sakura near the beginning of Shippuden that he had learnt a cool new technique.

[gr3atfull]

Bad episode, but I loved the ending. I can't wait for the next episode! I want to see Naruto fight!!! And Gai is very very very slow....

[Assassin]

Besides, it seems to fit in also when Kakashi tried telling Naruto and Sakura near the beginning of Shippuden that he had learnt a cool new technique.

lol, the man nicknamed the "copy ninja" learned another technique in 3 years....big surprise

As for the whoel eyesight issue, at first i thought that kakashi had caught itachi in his own genjutsu (like kurnie did back when she faced itachi), and itachi hadn't realized it yet, hence the "how bad has your eyesight gotten" comment. But that doesn't seem to be teh case.

I dont think that it was in reference to the strain from using MS though. Remember, the sharingan is as feared as it is because of the power of insight it has (second only to the bayakugan)...so im thinking kakashi had made some sort of discovery about itachi, or perhaps itachi had failed to realize something...which is why kakashi commented on his eyesight getting bad.

[Assertn]

So some people are saying Itachi is going blind, and others are saying Kakashi copied MS?
This thread brings lols.

In other news....Neji's new jutsu is pretty elite

[StillAlive]

This episode was so-so as not much happened but it was still worth watching.

I'm wondering about people that speculate about things nobody can possibly know, e.g.: Mangekyou Sharingan can only be obtained by killing your best friend could be a false statement as only Itachi said so - in the 'real' world you won't believe just anybody, will you?
And the truth is: If this was a real battle, Tenten should have killed Kisame immediately - there is no way he could've escaped an under water explosion.

Comparing Bleach to Naruto is not the truth.
Kisame is 'cool'? - No way, just listening to him talking make my ears bleed...

[Jessper]

And the truth is: If this was a real battle, Tenten should have killed Kisame immediately - there is no way he could've escaped an under water explosion.

Everyone knows that an explosion underwater is at least 200 times more deadly than in air!

[Buffalobiian]

Does it look like Kisame and Itachi are still maintaining their holograms? Or they're just left there along with their chakra to sustain the sealing technique?

[itadakimasu]

Does it look like Kisame and Itachi are still maintaining their holograms? Or they're just left there along with their chakra to sustain the sealing technique?

when it showed them extracting the one tail from gaara, you it showed the outline of itachi and kisame.

i liked the effect they gave the leader of akatsuki...

really cant wait to see the next episode, gai sensei !

[Deadfire]

I watched about 5-10 minutes of this and it was enough.

Nothing interesting happened, nothing really to talk about, nothing really worth asking or explaining.

Maybe I should just stay with the manga. At least the thoeries and thoughts are alot more thought out in manga discussions. With the anime discussion some how out of nowhere people tied Kakashi getting a new jutsu + Itachi = Some how him getting Mangekyou Sharingan (MS is short for Multiple Sclerosis people. I'm very sure if a ninja had that they would not be a ninja)

[XanBcoo]

Maybe I should just stay with the manga. At least the thoeries and thoughts are alot more thought out in manga discussions. With the anime discussion some how out of nowhere people tied Kakashi getting a new jutsu + Itachi = Some how him getting Mangekyou Sharingan (MS is short for Multiple Sclerosis people. I'm very sure if a ninja had that they would not be a ninja)

I too am a little worried that manga readers are just trying to jump the gun on the hot topics of discussion that are going on right now with manga readers. I'm definitely not accusing anyone of spoiling, or being a manga-prophet, but those already aware of the major points of contention in the series obviously have the power to sway discussion.

Example: About three episodes ago, Chiyo attacked Kakashi at the end of the episode, calling him the White Fang. It didn't take long for someone to chime in "Well, based on Kakashi's facial expression and reaction, and the way Chiyo was screaming, the White Fang clearly is Kakashi's father." This prompted a slew of responses in which people analyzed this five seconds of unimportant dialog. It wasn't even relevant, yet.

Now I have no idea if whether or not Kakashi has Mangekyou Sharingan is a major debate among manga readers right now, but judging by the time it took people to jump to the "logical" conclusion that he must have it, I'm guessing that it is. It's not like anyone's spoiling anything, it just feels like people are continuing discussion that's been going on since 2 years ago, along with a bunch of insane theories. I suppose that's just the nature of the beast...

Watch it. - Assertnfailure