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    Good episode. I'm curious to find out why exactly Aizen killing the king would be significant, since pretty much the only thing they said about the king was that he's a figure head (read "doesn't do anything significant") in SS. I'm sure they'll explain why the king dying would be devastating later(other than the fact that making the key will kill 100,000 people of course), but from the conversation thus far they made it seem like killing the Captain-Commander would have a greater effect. Questions, questions, and more questions

    Also it was nice to get some quick scenes of Chad and Ishida training again. Looking forward to seeing how bad ass Chad is when he gets that arm upgraded since i was kinda dissapointed at how insignificant they made him in the SS arc. Oh and ofcours Ichigo vs Hyori revisited should be fun to watch. Previews made it look like he's gonna hand her her ass....again.

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    YES! GIN LIVES!

    This episode could've had so much more happen in it...

    and just a note, the scene with Zaraki Kenpachi isn't filler.


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    So in the manga, the only person he hallucinates about is Kenpachi?

    That's wierd.

    Anyway, the main thing about this episode is that it has me phyched as hell about the future. A future that's probably not even this arc. 10 bucks says that the Spirit King and his Royal Guards are all stronger than captains. Really looking forward to THAT arc.


    The other thing of note was how awsome Ichigo's full hollow form was.

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    If that was his full form then that almost proves his inner hollow is not a Rank and File one nor a gillian for that matter. It will be very interesting seeing him fight with it like that.

    This King thing is interesting on more then a few levels. Aizen isn't dumb he has to have a reason for thinking they way he does. Maybe the "King" has something? maybe he thought up this as sort of bait or illisoin. he did it before, he can do it again. I think he set them up

    Badass "cero" by Ichigo though... I wanted him to fire that so bad...
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    Pretty nice episode we got there, it answer some question (like why Ichigo neighbourhood is special).
    Ishida still seems like he is just playing the "Hunt game", and he is the Prey.
    Sado's training is just fighting with Abarai? how boring...

    On a side note:
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    Where is Kon-Sama! I don't wanna see ugly fish face (aka: Gin)! , Bring back Kon-Sama! This show is nothing without the great Kon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash
    I'm curious to find out why exactly Aizen killing the king would be significant, since pretty much the only thing they said about the king was that he's a figure head (read "doesn't do anything significant") in SS.
    The description of Soul Society's King makes his position similar in concept to the Emperor in feudal Japan. The Japanese Emperor was a figurehead, but his position and existence was highly significant because his position's legitimacy was based on being the descendant of the Sun God. The way I see it, Bleach is mirroring this type of setup. The assassination of the leader, actual power wielded or no, would be a devastating blow.

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    Oh Lowrd,
    This ep was so sweet, everything with Hichigo is great so its speaks for its self, and the whole SS King and the Royal Guard seems very interesting, i bet the Royal Guard could pwnd the captains and the Espadas, well time will tell. And do you think you can see the SS king like a God or something?

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    Pretty good episode. Animation was fantastic, storyline was fleshed out and progressed, good action and humor too. I liked the light-hearted Orihime scenes and the big-screen communicator.

    They really breezed through the inner battle between Ichigo and his hollow. They went from Kensei at 20 minutes to Love at 68 minutes, or something like that. I wonder how much they elaborated on the fights between the Vaizards and hollow-Ichigo in the manga? That would have been a great way to expand the manga material and extend the anime.

    The preview looks like a lot of filler training material, which could be cool or suck. I wish they'd integrate filler fight scenes into manga material more seamlessly, instead of one episode of all manga material, then an episode of all filler. Unless I'm wrong and next episode isn't all filler?

    Bring back Kon and Shinigami Golden Cup!


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    Definatly. the Spirit King is probably the most powerful character in the series so far.

    That, or or in usual anime fashion, he'll be senile and powerless.

    I'm guessing the Spirit King either made SS or else his will maintains it.

    Either way, I think Aizen just wants to kill him to he can take over everything.

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    Well if he's just a figurehead, how will killing him allow Aizen to take over everything? Defeating a figurehead might hurt the morale of an organization or country, but it doesn't make you the new figurehead, and it doesn't make you all powerful.

    Unless the Spirit King wields or guards real power, there's something else that Aizen is after. Maybe being the spirit king gives you authority over the 13 protection squads?


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash
    Good episode. I'm curious to find out why exactly Aizen killing the king would be significant, since pretty much the only thing they said about the king was that he's a figure head (read "doesn't do anything significant") in SS. I'm sure they'll explain why the king dying would be devastating later(other than the fact that making the key will kill 100,000 people of course), but from the conversation thus far they made it seem like killing the Captain-Commander would have a greater effect. Questions, questions, and more questions
    To me, The King is comparable to God. Leaves the world alone, doesn't do anything, doesn't intervene, just sort of watches and is a major figure head. Imagine the chaos if someone somehow figured out to how enter Heaven and kill God.
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    Remember when aizen left SS with Gin and Tousen in those beams of light?

    He said that SS worships a god that doesn't exist. He said that there was no one standing in heaven to begin with, but now he will stand in heaven.

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    The King's dimension can only be accessed with such a rare key, so we don't know if the place itself might have some other peculiarities. Maybe it will grant power to affect the movement of souls between real world and SS, or something else that the SS folks would rather not grant Aizen. Or maybe it will allow Aizen to get even stronger. If the King and his guards weren't uber strong to begin with, maybe that dimension allowed them to rise well above captains. In that case Aizen could become a King that would meddle with the SS matters, unlike his predecessor.

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    aren't Byakouya and youroshi from the 4 Nobel families(and i think Ukitake too)? does it make them related to the king?

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    Masa's Blow by Blow, Bleach 125

    Some of you may remember I used to do this kind of close viewing/commenting on episodes of Eureka SeveN. Seeing as how Bleach is probably the second favorite of the shows I'm watching now (Bokurano #1), and since I haven't done one like this in awhile, I figured it'd be fun...

    Time is kept using the videoplayer clock on DB's Bleach 125:
    00:21 - The OP is really growing on me. It's a pretty damn good song that fits what's goin on on-screen.

    01:23 - However, it is incredibly heavy-handed with the foreshadowing...

    02:42 - Nice "camera work"

    03:32 - Good lord, Ichigo's Hollow form is some badass looking shit! If he fully turns, he'd have to be Vaste Lord, right? I know it's hard to talk about reiatsu and strength and "power levels", but I get the impression that if Ichigo lets his Hollow side out during fights, he'll be right on the same level as Grimmjow and the top Arrancar.

    04:00 - Interesting little fact. You'd think the time it took to master one's Inner Hollow would indicate how strong you are, and then Ichigo and Hiyori are the strongest... but maybe it just reflects a lack of self-control, which would make them the wildest fighters and therefore, not as good...

    05:11 - a line that is relevent to almost every anime I've seen. "Everyne who searches for power, without exception, searches for battle!" I wish there was someone like Zaraki in every anime to just tell this flat out, stone cold to the quibbling protagonist who always waxes much angst to the audience because he just can't accept this fact.

    06:36 - ... ... that voice... it surely has some of the distortion that you usually here when HIchigo speaks... but it sounds like they used the effect on Ichigo's voice. The first time I've heard such a balanced fusion of it. At first I thought it was HIchigo, and I was confused why he'd be saying it, but now I think I understand

    07:10 - Hiyori is the first to recognize that Ichigo's inner struggle is coming to a close.

    08:45 - Talkin' shit right until the end, that's a wild horse there. Good use of the classic black/white color themes throughout this fight, especially in this scene as HIchigo is defeated.

    09:10 - a mask beneath the mask on the shell...one that does not break.

    A strong first half, a very deep and entertaining battle with useful commentary from peanut gallery onlookers. Excellent use of established themes. HIchigo rocks, manages to outshine even Kenpachi, and Ken gets one of the better speeches I've heard in this anime yet.


    11:10 - enter the other character embroiled in an inner struggle...

    12:48 - good friggin lord, what is that thing? SS has some freakin' strange gadgets... it looks organic in parts, which is the creepy part, especially since it has no such components on the transmission end (14:11)

    15:45 - enter the new objective

    16:22 - enter the most serious spirtual/religious ideas I've yet to see in this show. The Spirit King, "only a figurehead" and never around SS, yet "his existence is absolute". The idea of the "onlooker deity", the god who is omnipotent, yet chooses to leave most affairs in the hands of humanity.

    16:34 - enter the next spirit realm, the dimension outside of both SS, Hueco Mundo, the real world. Interesting that this is the 4th dimension mentioned so far, and someone who resides and moves about in that 4th dimension (time) would surely be undying and eternal

    17:45 - now the insanely close proximity of all important events occurring in and around Karakura town is revealed... Time for a defense of the realm!

    20:57 - bah, the wet blanket returns... an otherwise awesome episode though

    21:05 - nice little training montage. Makes me wonder if they'll pass over the 4 months or if we'll be treated to episodes focusing on the training? Bonus points for Chad, starting training early on his own free will.

    21:48 - end episode with the exact shot that started the second half of it. anyone got any idea if we've seen this shot before, and where? I've always thought this show has an inordinate amount of shots of power lines, telephone poles and all that, one of the more subtle on-going themes, but I've not got a real theory about it yet...

    I still emphatically hate the ED... Training episode up next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthmoe
    Remember when aizen left SS with Gin and Tousen in those beams of light?

    He said that SS worships a god that doesn't exist. He said that there was no one standing in heaven to begin with, but now he will stand in heaven.
    Recalling this, it does seem to strongly point to Aizen as a Lucifer type. I can't recall any other biblical / religious examples that would parallel this, and Lucifer isn't quite the right analogy...

    I am sure the Royal Guard are pretty strong, but I have a feeling this Spirit King is not. I feel like he'll be at the heart of balancing all the worlds, at maintaining the cycles that go on there, and that he is actually more important than a figurehead, but I have a gut feeling he will not be a powerful fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    04:00 - Interesting little fact. You'd think the time it took to master one's Inner Hollow would indicate how strong you are, and then Ichigo and Hiyori are the strongest... but maybe it just reflects a lack of self-control, which would make them the wildest fighters and therefore, not as good...
    I dunno how any of that is a fact, but ok...
    Anyways, it's more likely an indicator of naiveness and lack of intelligence. Those 2 being the youngest and brainless. It obviously takes no strength to defeat your hollow with the lame 1-hit kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySee
    It obviously takes no strength to defeat your hollow with the lame 1-hit kill.
    Umm maybe it was done that way because the battle with the inner hollow was never about physical strength, but rather strength of will. In order to keep control of both Zangetsu and Hichigo's powers what Ichigo required wasn't brute strength. He has enough of that to spare. What he needed was to gather his courage and restore his confidence in his own abilities as in the SS arc, instead of sitting around like a little pansy and holding back because he was too scared of his own inner hollow to take any real action. In shorter terms, the whole sequence was about him dispelling the fear he had of his own power to keep it from consuming him.

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    i was referring to the fact that Hiyori, and now Ichigo, took the longest to bring their Inner Hollow under control. Like I said, it's not clear yet what to make of that.

    Some would say that the stronger the opponent, the more time it takes to defeat them. Others would say that this lack of emotional/mental stability causes them to take longer. I honestly think the two are a package deal. You're unnerved by facing this side of you that is so carnal and crazy, moreso when it's a stronger force, but because you can ultimately overcome this great obstacle, you reap the greatest benefits. just my two cents.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    Well, the Spirit King could be more of a political figure, with the 13 squads and the Captain Commander being the military side of things.

    And what Aizen is doing could be like a military coup, and he is looking to bring about a new order in the dimensions. Maybe this is why Tousen joined him, as he may belive this to be a fight about a new moral order.

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