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    Quote Originally Posted by boilerph
    A possibility but I am leaning more towards the theory that his sword actually retains the chakra that it "eats" and transfers it to Kisame.
    Hmmm, indeed i had forgotten about his swords ability and thats certainly a valid possibility. Either way though next week should be a great set of showdowns.

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    One thing I've been thinking about is that unless Akatsuki started with some Jinchuuriki people in from the beginning, it's likely they would never succeed in obtaining all of them. So far we have seen Naruto and Gaara, and they both happen to be very young and despite Gaara being the Kazekage, he was hardly amazingly experienced (and as we saw, the village of Sand had pretty poor general level of ninjas all in all). However, it's hard to believe all the people having such demons inside them would be so easily defeated.

    Of course nothing indicates all the Bijuu would be already inside people - Kyuubi was free before Naruto - but if some happened to be inside some older badass ninja, the Akatsuki members sent to retrieve that one would more likely all end up dead. Maybe years later when some of them who have succeeded in obtaining theirs would go after such an experienced super ninja with their new powers they might succeed.

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    Yeah I'm thinking Kisame is getting the huge amount of chakra from his sword. It can no way be a natural ability, as he might as well be the 10th bloody Bijuu. My attack plan would be to get rid of the sword, and you will probably get rid of most of the chakra at Kisame's disposal.

    But yeah seriously, is Zetsu cloning himself or something in some sort of defensive formation or what? It can't be him jumping around all the time. Plus, it didn't make sense when he revealed that it was Maito Gai approaching.... I think Lee only called him Gai and not his full name. The way Zetsu revealed the identity of Gai made it look as though he did not know of him from before.

    As for how much chakra Itachi has had to give up, I assume it would be more than 30%. Since he has less than Kisame he would have to give a greater percentage of his chakra to equal Kisame's donated chakra in absolute terms (Sorry, the Engineer in me couldn't resist there :P).

    Despite both fighter probably giving up Chakra to the bijuu extraction process, I think the whole thing will slow down. The giving chakra is like giving more fuel to a car. It won't make it go faster, though it will make it last longer.

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    I'm guessing that Zetsu is just moving around rather than cloning himself. He seems to be a sort of scout/sentry type of team member. We've already seen people roaming around at comparable speed using doton jutsu. Zetsu probably uses that in combination with an equivalent technique that substitutes trees (and possibly other plants) for earth. Although we haven't seen his slashed headband yet, I'm going to bet that Zetsu is from the Village Hidden in the Grass, based on his apparently plant-based abilities.

    As for Rock Lee only addressing Gai by his "first" name, you have to remember we didn't hear their whole conversation with Pakkun. With all the formality inherent in Japanese culture, it is a pretty safe assumption that Pakkun called him by his full name at some point, which the lurking Zetsu then heard.

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    Or it's not too far of a stretch that he'd know the full name of one of the strongest shinobi in Konoha.

    I liked this episode, again it advances the plot nicely, but this time sets us up for two cool battles, and I really have to restrain myself not to give a manga spoiler right now.

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    Yeah is hard not saying anything speacially since they have been handling so well
    correct me if I am wrong but I think this episode just coverd one manga chapter

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    Not sure why everyone is going off saying this is a good episode. I mean... it was decent at best. The overused animation of Gaara getting Shukaku sucked out of him was annoying, there was a lot of running between the teams, and then there was a little too much shock factor involved with Itachi. I mean, was it really necessary for Naruto to say his name, then have the animation pan over to Sakura saying the same thing, followed by a zoom in of Itachi's face?

    Plus, they did a terrible job of Gai-sensei's forgetfulness. In the manga I laughed, because I think it was intended to be funny. In the anime, they continued to play dramatic music, and there was nothing really funny about Gai not remembering.

    Still better than the fillers, though, and that god-awful excuse for an anime movie known as Naruto Movie 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nests
    Yeah is hard not saying anything speacially since they have been handling so well
    correct me if I am wrong but I think this episode just coverd one manga chapter
    I'm pretty sure it covered like.....3 chapters.
    One ended with Chiyo joining the group.
    One ended with Kisame showing up.
    One ended with Itachi showing up.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genma
    Not sure why everyone is going off saying this is a good episode.
    Simple because... It was a good episode.

    I enjoyed it, the anime seems to moving at a much faster pace now. Before I thought it would take forever to get to this part. As for the whole Gai and Kisame thing, I thought it was pretty funny.. lol..

    Can't wait for next episode... Kakashi fighting Itachi again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genma
    I mean, was it really necessary for Naruto to say his name, then have the animation pan over to Sakura saying the same thing, followed by a zoom in of Itachi's face?
    Because the scene was really important for Sakura. Or did you forget the speech she made just a couple episodes ago about wanting to defeat Itachi to save Sasuke. And now, here he is.
    Quote Originally Posted by RyougaZell
    Yeah. I knew that. But since Kishimoto decided to introduce this concept, he should be giving Kyuubi no Yoko another name apart from Kyuubi. Or at least cover himself by saying Shukaku was the name of the first Ichibi Jinchuuriki.
    Or maybe he's just saving Kyuubi's name for when it becomes relavent. It's not like he and Naruto are on a first name basic. They're all "You're pathetic kid." "Shutup and give me chakra bastard fox!"

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    This episode just made it all click for me. I finally felt like Naruto was back and better than ever.

    And naturally, I keep falling deeper in love with Zetsu. His voice is just too freakin' sexy. Even more so than Sakon's was!
    Quote Originally Posted by Genma
    Plus, they did a terrible job of Gai-sensei's forgetfulness. In the manga I laughed, because I think it was intended to be funny. In the anime, they continued to play dramatic music, and there was nothing really funny about Gai not remembering.
    You have to be kidding me! The dramatic music just added to the sheer hilarity of that scene.

    Gai: ... You...
    Kisame: B)
    Gai: ... WHO ARE YOU !?
    Kisame: B( *cue dramatic crescendo*

    I don't think I've ever laughed as hard while watching Naruto. Maybe I'm just odd?
    / No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.

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    Yeah I thought it was funny too but every one has a different taste

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash
    The first thing i thought of when Neji said that was that Kisame must be one of the Akatsuki who has obtained his Bijuu. After all, Naruto's massive chakra is due to the fact that the nine tails is sealed within him
    Quote Originally Posted by boilerph
    I am leaning more towards the theory that his sword actually retains the chakra that it "eats" and transfers it to Kisame.
    I'm tempted to go with the Sword holding massive chakra theory. It's in line with what Kisame said about his sword and also, since Akatsuki seems to have three Jinchuurikis (including Gaara), there's no guarantee that Kisame has the strongest out of those three. In fact, we don't even know if each of them is trying to get a Bijuu or if they're doing something else.

    Very interesting that he's the one with the most Chakra. However, that makes me very happy, because Chakra != power level, and I was afraid Naruto would devolve into a DBZ-like "Strength is all that matters" shit-show.

    However, i'm not happy with the fact that Kisame and Itachi are only fighting with a diminished portion of their chakra. I know it has to happen, but I hate it when people hold back their powers in fights...

    It's true that each member is targeting a Bijuu. From Deidara and the pink-eyed guy, it might be true that each of them intends on absorbing an individual Bijuu. However, I don't think that's the case, and I've got 3 arguments as to why.

    1. The absorption thing that's sucking the Ichibi out of Gaara and Chiyo's mention of taking alot of effort to do such indicates that the massive, eye-opening thing that Zero summoned is the only one of its kind. Basically, either the nine would each have to be able to gather in the power of a Bijuu into themselves or be totally dependent on Zero. He needs them to participate in the draining, but it seems like he's really the one running the show.

    2. Akatsuki was originally ten, not nine, meaning one of the ten would be left empty-handed (the reason Orochimaru left?). But Psyke saying that Kishimoto came up with this storyline after he had Orochimaru being a member of the group, so it could be a plothole...

    3. I just can't see how this group would go about saying "you get the Ichibi, you get the Kyuubi, you get..." and all the members being fine with it. They'd need a very strong hierarchy and anyone with too much ambition would run afoul of the plan. Also, once one member got a Bijuu's powers, why would he stick around? Hell, could he be forced to stick around with that much power? He'd help the others, for their sakes? Pft, I don't know, but that kind of honor code among villains would truly be unique.

    At this point I think they split up the energy they get from the Bijuus, making them all a bit more powerful. That or Zero's Bijuu Sucker is holding on to all of that chakra somewhere and will form a super-weapon/monster when they catch them all. I just feel that there'd be too many potential conflicts with each of them getting a Bijuu of their own.

    I thought Zetsu was stationing copies of himself all around his perimeter. But now I don't think that's the case, but who knows? Maybe his scouting abilities let him "see" everything happening in that area

    I thought Gai was purposefully forgetting Kisame, to try to enrage him or just for kicks. I thought the music wasn't properly done in this scene, but it was still funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    I thought Zetsu was stationing copies of himself all around his perimeter. But now I don't think that's the case, but who knows? Maybe his scouting abilities let him "see" everything happening in that area

    I thought Gai was purposefully forgetting Kisame, to try to enrage him or just for kicks. I thought the music wasn't properly done in this scene, but it was still funny.
    His scouting might work like Byakugan? Minus the seeing chakra points.... But I figured Zetsu was just camped at the right spot.... Like the intersecting point of where Team Kakashi and Team Gai had to go through before they can make it to the Akatsuki's hideout. The fact that he can camouflage is probably why he is a good scout and not just because he has vision.

    As for the music not being properly done... I can't even tell the difference if there's a new kind of song playing, they all sound the same to me, plain and boring. None of the new music really hypes me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    I thought Gai was purposefully forgetting Kisame, to try to enrage him or just for kicks. I thought the music wasn't properly done in this scene, but it was still funny.
    Nah, its to set up for the real comedic aspect of that exchange: Kisame acusing the great "beast" of Konoha to have the brain of a beast as well.
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    I walways like the suiton jutsus, they always sound so cool. So i'm glad Kisame is appearing again.

    Have you also noticed Neji carrying a bag of some sorts? Am anxious to know what it is. Would he also be using scrolls instead of only taijutsus?

    Also, what is with the pigeon that came back? They didn't go into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASSpirine
    Have you also noticed Neji carrying a bag of some sorts? Am anxious to know what it is. Would he also be using scrolls instead of only taijutsus?
    It`s a bag... every konoha shinobi has one
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    *A wild Itachi appears*

    *Sakura gasps*
    *Naruto throws park ball*
    *Wild Itachi is not affected*

    Decent episode, I'd say. Nothing exceptionally exciting, but it was still interesting. I too, think Guy's dialog with Kisame was not as funny as it could have been, but it's good to see that Guy is his same old self.

    Pity we didn't get to see the other Akatsuki guy. I'm really looking forward to meeting the other members.

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    Not sure if it has been mentioned, but why would Kisame fight team Gai? A guy with "ridiculous amount of chakra" going up against a team of mainly taijutsu users doesn't make much sense. I understand Kisame wants revenge, but it's a poorly done match-up.

    Animation was fantastic, though the story line felt a bit slow. I don't know why, but it still feels like filler to me, even though I know most of this episode is manga based. Might be the dialog or music or something. Can't put my finger on it.


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    The Akatsuki said they needed/wanted to do some sort of special jutsu to handle the situation that apparently requires a lot of chakra, so Kisame looks like he was the most appropiate at the moment.
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