If that's so...then what would be a good matchup against taijutsu?Originally Posted by Animeniax
We know genjutsu would flat-out not work, since Neji can see through it and Gai has some ability at canceling genjutsu as well.
If that's so...then what would be a good matchup against taijutsu?
We know genjutsu would flat-out not work, since Neji can see through it and Gai has some ability at canceling genjutsu as well.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I just think the situation would have been easier to handle if Itachi used mangekou sharingan on 4 taijutsu users (though Neji's byakugan might be able to dispel the trance world), and Kisame could use his enormous chakra for the special jutsu against team Kakashi, which is the more dangerous group I'd imagine, especially with Naruto's enormous chakra.
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Yeah, and Akatsuki knew that Naruto's team would be chasing after them... Plus in their last encounter (Itachi and Gai), it was shown that taijutsu might just be Itachi's weakness, if he ever had any.
Yeah, Gai wouldn't fall for Itachi's Tsukuyomi that easily. He's had years of training against a skilled sharingan user. He would just look at Itachi's feet.
In fact, I'd say that Itachi would have a harder time fighting a taijutsu user than anyone else. Remember from Sasuke's fight with Lee, the sharingan won't help you if your body can't move as fast as your eyes can anticipate. While Itachi might be faster at performing Ninjutsu, he definitely won't be faster in pure agility and taijutsu.
Last edited by Assertn; Mon, 05-07-2007 at 01:25 AM.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I find it hard to believe that a guy who killed an entire ninja clan in one night wouldn't be a top level taijutsu user in addition to his Sharingan and other techniques. He could probably keep up with Gai, at least for a while, eventually he might see an opening and apply some devastating jutsu and ruin Gai's day (Amaterasu perhaps). The fact that he forms hand seals faster than Kakashi can see, while Kakashi and Gai are supposedly evenly matched also lowers the chances that Gai would be able to take him on. Buy 2.5 years is a long time and we've never really seen Gai pushed to the limit anyway so who knows what he's got up his sleeve.
In the flashbacks those ninja clan members died like sheeps. It didn't look to me as if Itachi had to fight especially hard to beat them. I think slaughtering them was for him more like a measure of how far he could go morally to reach his objectives than a test of the limits of his strength.
Besides, it would render Gai's character useless if he wasn't at the top in taijutsu. However, that doesn't mean Itachi wouldn't be able to beat Gai using everything he knows. I don't really believe the people at the top, who are specialized at some skills, wouldn't be able to adapt those skills against different all the kind of opponents. That would be insane, and certainly wouldn't make them great ninjas.
While those flashbacks weren't most of them on the manga... the Uchiha clan was cocky, and always seemed to depend on their Sharingans.
Itachi having the Magenkyou most likely owned them all. My guess is what he was measuring was the power of his new eye, not his own previous abilities (which were top ranked). Unless he was the typical cocky Uchiha, he should have trained other abilities all this years. Yet, Gai is most likely above him in Taijutsu.
interesting, I hadn't thought about Itachi being weak against Taijutsu at all... I always figured a pure Taijutsu fighter would be screwed against him, since the second they made a mistake and looked into his eyes it would be over. I always thought the best kind of fighter against Itachi would be an ambush type fighter, someone to get him before he used Sharingan.
But, since he's there and prepared, I suppose it'll be up to Sakura to keep his Genjutsu dispelled, Kakashi to act as the main distractor and Chiyo or Naruto to do the real damage... Rewatching episode 12, it does feel like the Akatasuki didn't want Itachi going up against Gai, so maybe you're all correct. Interesting stuff.
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Well, not as to say that Gai would necessarily beat Itachi....just that Gai would stand a better chance against Itachi than most other characters.
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You are correct on the point of just looking at the eyes and you are screwed.
Yet for that to happen you first need the eyes to meet eyes.
Sasuke (who was very much undertrained) depended to much on his newly gained eyes and got his ass kicked by Lee.
Gai has amazing speed, and the knowledge of how not to fall under the Sharingan.
He being a Tai maniac most likely has enough speed to escape Itachi for a while. We actually don't know Itachi's tai and speed levels. Beat him? Who knows, but like Assertn points out, he has the most chances out of many characters.
Itachi was already an ANBU withouth the Mangekyou, so his abilities should have been top. Hopefully he didn't stop training them after gaining his enhanced Sharingan.
It needs to be remembered that so far the only times we have seen the ANBU have been them getting their asses kicked, or beating some wild cats... So, at least in my eyes saying somebody was an ANBU member doesn't mean terribly much. They might need to be fine ninjas, but nothing extraordinary.
Well, a team consisting of a Taijutsu master and a Taijutsu master in training with the ability of the unlocking gates (which will provide more power than the hokage) and a genius among geniuses with his great Byakugan ability. This can turn out into an interesting fight. Ow yeah, don't forget about Ten Ten... Don't have much faith in her ability, you rarely see a high ranked Shinobi being hit by a Shuriken or kunai.
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lol that just made me think of Kisame getting kancho'ed with a kunai by TenTen...
Now THAT'S a Naruto episode!!! I know most people have already mentioned this being a good ep. But it needed re-mentioning. This is exactly what made me tune in week after week when before the fillers and looked forward to the next weeks episode.
I cannot wait to see what this weeks episode is going to turn out like. I just hope that the great buildup they had with this episode does not lead to an anti-climatic ending.
I doubt that the scout guy was staying in the same location and saw both teams pass the same place, I think his abilities make him able to be scouting multiple places at once.He could do that by having clones of himself placed in a circular area around their base.
I think the fact that both Gai and Rock Lee really do not have chakra to be stolen by Kisame give them a better chance at beating him. As for Itachi, I dont have much to say except that Kakashi's team are on their own, but do have the added (unknown) possibilities of the Obaasan (old woman).
Who says they do not have chakra?
Lee cannot use Ninjutsu nor Genjutsu... but that doesn't mean he doesn't have chakra. All living things has it.
Moreover... to perform his Lotus techniques he requieres chakra.
And whoever said Gai couldn't use Ninjutsu either? Sure, he's never used one before, and is a Taijutsu master... but he definitely doesn't have the same issues as Lee, of being incapable of using Ninjutsu.
Remember that, even though he hasn't used it, he most likely has the summoning contract of the Turtles.
That's a weird conclusion to come to....if you don't recall him ever using it....
But yeah, he DID summon a turtle once, and summons are ninjutsu.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
That is a plothole I've been waiting Kishimoto to explain someday....
The turtle that scolded Lee was with no doubt a summon, since it could talk and then puffed away. If Lee knew it and it presented Gai its because he has the summon scroll.
Yet we have never seen him use it... so yeah... its more like suppositions but with more bases than saying Gai can't use Ninjutsu when it has only been stated that Lee is the only one that cant.
I think it's pretty safe to say Gai can but just chooses not to. There are a number of scenes of Lee's history that pretty much elaborated how Lee is special (or hopeless) because he can't use ninjutsu. If Gai, a jounin, couldn't do it, I don't think there would be anything for Lee to worry about, having such a model. Besides, one only needs to have his name on the scroll, not carry it around or even possess it. After all, Naruto's name is on the scroll Jiraya carries around (for who knows what purposes - to gather more frog summoners?).
Perhaps Gai just uses little ninjutsu for his own reasons and lately because he wants to keep the bond between him and Lee strong. As long as he relies on taijutsu only Lee can purely look up to him.
I don't know why people think Lee doesn't have chakra either. His opening the gates is ALL chakra.
That's what it does, it increases his chakra flow.
It's just Lee focuses all his chakra on making himself faster and stronger, rather than manifesting wierd powers.
For Lee it's more than just a choice to use his chakra only for Taijutsu. He can't use ninjutsu or genjutsu. I figure it's like each skill or technique is like a puzzle. Some people can solve the puzzle with practice and use the skill, and others can't. Some get cheats like when Naruto read the scroll and learned the kage bunshin technique, or are shown how to solve the puzzle, like when he was taught rasengan. Some have a natural affinity for solving the puzzle, or get the answers via a bloodline technique like the Uchiha sharingan. Mostly it's just practice or natural skill. Lee is just dumb when it comes to puzzle solving. The rubix cube would put him in a coma.
I don't think it was ever implied that Gai couldn't use ninjutsu or genjutsu techniques. He just prefers taijutsu, probably because he's exceptional at it.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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